What would you buy with around ?5000 ($9000) ?

Esstoothou · 11-08-2005, 12:10 AM

How would you improve an S2000 (2005) if given, say, ?5000 or $9000 to spend on it ?

passmans2kNY · 11-08-2005, 08:52 AM

love fab gt-1 turbo kit, www.lovefab.com, plus a exedy hyper carbon single plate clutch, mabye cop those jic magic flt a2s(coil overs) if u got any money left

Esstoothou · 11-08-2005, 09:45 AM

Link doesn't work !

passmans2kNY · 11-09-2005, 06:20 AM

www.lovefab.com there was a , on the end of the one b4, it will work now

Esstoothou · 11-09-2005, 11:17 PM

I wonder how a turbo application would affect the revability?

Presumably the engine would peak earlier and the power and torque would drop away after 7000 rpm or so?

slimjim8201 · 11-10-2005, 02:54 PM

Revability? Not much. There is minimal "drag" on the engine. A little more backpressure as a result of the turbo, but revability shouldn't change much if at all.

The engine will still peak high, however, there is almost constant torque from about 3800 rpm to redline. This creates a very nice linear power delivery (once in boost). The on/off power aspect will still be evident but will be caused by the presence or lack of boost rather than vtec.

The base Lovefab kit makes more horsepower at 6000 rpm than a stock motor makes a redline

MattG · 11-10-2005, 02:54 PM

No. Have a look at a dyno chart.

slimjim8201 · 11-10-2005, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattG

No. Have a look at a dyno chart.

No to...? Be more specific.

MattG · 11-10-2005, 06:14 PM

Sorry I'm at work atm.

I meant "No" to the revability of the engine and peak power.

As slimjim pointed out when he posted at the same time as me :P

Here's a dynochart:
http://www.lovefab.com/cody/Codys%20S2k/gt1dyno.JPG

Esstoothou · 11-10-2005, 11:30 PM

What bhp and ft/lbs does that equate to?

Stock I believe are 237 and 145 at crank.

slimjim8201 · 11-11-2005, 06:50 AM

A stock S2000 will produce a little less than 200 hp at the rear wheels. Give or take 15 horsepower depending on the dyno and conditions. On the same dyno, on the same day, with the same car, the base lovefab kit should put out in excess of 100 horsepower over stock. So that equates to around 300+ horsepower at the rear wheels or 355+ horsepower at the crank (assuming an 18.5% driveline loss). This should also get you an average of around 180 ft-lb of torque from 5000 to 9000 rpm. That equates to about 213+ ft-lb at the crank over almost half of the engine's range.

This is the BASIC kit as well. It only goes up from here. And when I say up, I mean WAY up.

Halo · 11-11-2005, 08:00 PM

Just for comparison, here is a scan of my Comptech SC running stock boost with stock header, cat delete and Comptech exhaust. WAY more peaky than the turbo. (red is stock)

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...age&img=191894

-edit for some reason it won't let me embed the image, so click the link

slimjim8201 · 11-12-2005, 05:47 AM

Im doing the CT SC as soon as I can. I am ITCHING to get one on my car. Turbos are awesome, don't get me wrong, but I don't want any hassles and "turbo" and "hassle" go hand in hand.

passmans2kNY · 11-14-2005, 06:08 AM

ok first off that dyno sheet for the love fab isnt running high boost at all, i think it was something around 6 or 7 psi, that kit can produce so much more hp its not even funny, just with a head gasket you can lower the compression to 9 to 1, which you can go up to around 14 psi, your up in the 400 hp to thr wheels, and second of all, i know people with s2000s, and they all go the sc way, i dunno, just too many people shy away from a turbo, there is so much more potential, and its not a hassel if u know what your doing and simply maintain your engine/turbo setup, plus tuning lol

Halo · 11-14-2005, 04:09 PM

I think the problem isn't you (i.e. the driver) knowing what you're doing, it's the guy wrenching on your car, setting up the ECU, interpreting the data from the dyno and the wideband... do THEY know what they're doing? If they screw up, who buys the new engine? What do you drive while the engine is being rebuilt? Not that these things are going to happen 100% of the time with a turbo, but what if?

slimjim8201 · 11-15-2005, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo

I think the problem isn't you (i.e. the driver) knowing what you're doing, it's the guy wrenching on your car, setting up the ECU, interpreting the data from the dyno and the wideband... do THEY know what they're doing? If they screw up, who buys the new engine? What do you drive while the engine is being rebuilt? Not that these things are going to happen 100% of the time with a turbo, but what if?

Very true. I am really debating between the CT S/C and the Lovefab GT1 kit. The S/C is rediculously cheaper in the long run, but the the turbo would be much more satisfying. I can't help but to think that I would be slightly dissapointed after a few months with the S/C, knowing that there was something better out there if I had splurged a bit more. Either way, this car is going to be the end of my bank account...

passmans2kNY · 11-15-2005, 07:21 AM

yea thats what my rx7 did to my wallet, destroyed it, I would say go with the turbo kit just bc everyone does the supercharger, i dunno its just me but i hate having the same shit as other people, plus like u mentioned u might get sick of it knowing the gt-1 kit is the phatness

slimjim8201 · 11-15-2005, 10:00 AM

I am kind of hoping that the GT1 kit is so good that once properly tuned, it will last me the remainder of my time with the car. Probably another 4 years or so. The quality of the kit is superb, the turbo itself should have no trouble lasting that long (the Garrett GT series is an awesome product line). With routine maintenence I think the kit would definitely be in for the long haul. When it is all said and done, excluding tuning, the kit would probably be nearly $8,000

That also doesnt include the new clutch/PP you would need to hold the power. I still want it SO BADLY...single tear...

passmans2kNY · 11-15-2005, 11:25 AM

i know i want it so bad, i check the website and see the same thing everyday, what i need is 10,000 $ then ill be good, yea you really cant get much better than this turbo kit, if the engine is built you can produce huge hp numbers with that kit

slimjim8201 · 11-16-2005, 07:44 AM

I'm not even looking for HUGE numbers though. The GT1 kit with a safe and mild tune will still produce well over 300 whp and it will make more torque at 4000 RPM than the stock motor makes at any RPM. It exceeds the stock max horsepower at 5500 rpm. That is rediculous. You could short shift at 6000 rpm and it would be like you were redlining in a stock car. And you still have 3500 more rpm on top to explore if the guy in the Mustang next to you is shooting dirty looks

All of this and the kit has exceptional quality.

I am also addictied to the sound of a turbo BOV. Seriously the coolest sound a car can make.

Halo · 11-16-2005, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimjim8201

I am also addictied to the sound of a turbo BOV. Seriously the coolest sound a car can make.

Cooler than an 18,000 rpm pass in a Formula 1 car?

slimjim8201 · 11-17-2005, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimjim8201

I am also addictied to the sound of a turbo BOV. Seriously the coolest sound a car can make.

Cooler than an 18,000 rpm pass in a Formula 1 car?

I haven't been lucky enough to hear that sound in person yet. One day...one day...

11-08-2005, 12:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
Esstoothou Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41	What would you buy with around ?5000 ($9000) ? How would you improve an S2000 (2005) if given, say, ?5000 or $9000 to spend on it ?

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passmans2kNY Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 182	do it love fab gt-1 turbo kit, www.lovefab.com, plus a exedy hyper carbon single plate clutch, mabye cop those jic magic flt a2s(coil overs) if u got any money left

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11-08-2005, 09:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
Esstoothou Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41	Link doesn't work !

11-09-2005, 06:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
passmans2kNY Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 182	www.lovefab.com there was a , on the end of the one b4, it will work now

11-09-2005, 11:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Esstoothou Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41	I wonder how a turbo application would affect the revability? Presumably the engine would peak earlier and the power and torque would drop away after 7000 rpm or so?

11-10-2005, 02:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
slimjim8201 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 47	Revability? Not much. There is minimal "drag" on the engine. A little more backpressure as a result of the turbo, but revability shouldn't change much if at all. The engine will still peak high, however, there is almost constant torque from about 3800 rpm to redline. This creates a very nice linear power delivery (once in boost). The on/off power aspect will still be evident but will be caused by the presence or lack of boost rather than vtec. The base Lovefab kit makes more horsepower at 6000 rpm than a stock motor makes a redline

11-10-2005, 02:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
MattG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 363	No. Have a look at a dyno chart.

11-10-2005, 06:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
MattG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 363	Sorry I'm at work atm. I meant "No" to the revability of the engine and peak power. As slimjim pointed out when he posted at the same time as me :P Here's a dynochart: http://www.lovefab.com/cody/Codys%20S2k/gt1dyno.JPG

11-10-2005, 11:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Esstoothou Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41	What bhp and ft/lbs does that equate to? Stock I believe are 237 and 145 at crank.

11-11-2005, 06:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
slimjim8201 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 47	A stock S2000 will produce a little less than 200 hp at the rear wheels. Give or take 15 horsepower depending on the dyno and conditions. On the same dyno, on the same day, with the same car, the base lovefab kit should put out in excess of 100 horsepower over stock. So that equates to around 300+ horsepower at the rear wheels or 355+ horsepower at the crank (assuming an 18.5% driveline loss). This should also get you an average of around 180 ft-lb of torque from 5000 to 9000 rpm. That equates to about 213+ ft-lb at the crank over almost half of the engine's range. This is the BASIC kit as well. It only goes up from here. And when I say up, I mean WAY up.

11-11-2005, 08:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 610	Just for comparison, here is a scan of my Comptech SC running stock boost with stock header, cat delete and Comptech exhaust. WAY more peaky than the turbo. (red is stock) http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...age&img=191894 -edit for some reason it won't let me embed the image, so click the link

11-12-2005, 05:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
slimjim8201 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 47	Im doing the CT SC as soon as I can. I am ITCHING to get one on my car. Turbos are awesome, don't get me wrong, but I don't want any hassles and "turbo" and "hassle" go hand in hand.

11-14-2005, 06:08 AM	#14 (permalink)
passmans2kNY Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 182	ok first off that dyno sheet for the love fab isnt running high boost at all, i think it was something around 6 or 7 psi, that kit can produce so much more hp its not even funny, just with a head gasket you can lower the compression to 9 to 1, which you can go up to around 14 psi, your up in the 400 hp to thr wheels, and second of all, i know people with s2000s, and they all go the sc way, i dunno, just too many people shy away from a turbo, there is so much more potential, and its not a hassel if u know what your doing and simply maintain your engine/turbo setup, plus tuning lol

11-14-2005, 04:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 610	I think the problem isn't you (i.e. the driver) knowing what you're doing, it's the guy wrenching on your car, setting up the ECU, interpreting the data from the dyno and the wideband... do THEY know what they're doing? If they screw up, who buys the new engine? What do you drive while the engine is being rebuilt? Not that these things are going to happen 100% of the time with a turbo, but what if?

11-15-2005, 07:21 AM	#17 (permalink)
passmans2kNY Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 182	yea thats what my rx7 did to my wallet, destroyed it, I would say go with the turbo kit just bc everyone does the supercharger, i dunno its just me but i hate having the same shit as other people, plus like u mentioned u might get sick of it knowing the gt-1 kit is the phatness

11-15-2005, 10:00 AM	#18 (permalink)
slimjim8201 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 47	I am kind of hoping that the GT1 kit is so good that once properly tuned, it will last me the remainder of my time with the car. Probably another 4 years or so. The quality of the kit is superb, the turbo itself should have no trouble lasting that long (the Garrett GT series is an awesome product line). With routine maintenence I think the kit would definitely be in for the long haul. When it is all said and done, excluding tuning, the kit would probably be nearly $8,000 That also doesnt include the new clutch/PP you would need to hold the power. I still want it SO BADLY...single tear...

11-15-2005, 11:25 AM	#19 (permalink)
passmans2kNY Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 182	i know i want it so bad, i check the website and see the same thing everyday, what i need is 10,000 $ then ill be good, yea you really cant get much better than this turbo kit, if the engine is built you can produce huge hp numbers with that kit

11-16-2005, 07:44 AM	#20 (permalink)
slimjim8201 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 47	I'm not even looking for HUGE numbers though. The GT1 kit with a safe and mild tune will still produce well over 300 whp and it will make more torque at 4000 RPM than the stock motor makes at any RPM. It exceeds the stock max horsepower at 5500 rpm. That is rediculous. You could short shift at 6000 rpm and it would be like you were redlining in a stock car. And you still have 3500 more rpm on top to explore if the guy in the Mustang next to you is shooting dirty looks All of this and the kit has exceptional quality. I am also addictied to the sound of a turbo BOV. Seriously the coolest sound a car can make.