I'm kinda losing my mind....

[simpletantra]

Hi everyone, just a newbie here saying hi with a little concern. I just picked up a 2002 s2000 about two months ago. To give you a little background, the car has 60k, I've dropped a K&N filter in it and put some mobil1 in. That's it. My issue is.... why the hell did a 92-96 prelude keep up with me to 120mph? I'm guessing he had an intake, possibly header, definately a free-flow exhaust, you know, the typical let's spend 3k dollars on 15 horsepower stuff. I've done some research and found that there is a 220hp type "S" VTEC that came in the later models (97-) but like I said this was a third gen prelude (92-96 200hp) and he held right on my bumper from approx. 60 to 120 miles per hour. What's going on? Either my s is slowing down in it's high miles, or that prelude somehow managed to get 40 horses from a few simple mods. I know he may have done a swap, but for 20 horses? Can someone shed some light?

[Java Junky]

Hey Si;
You're dealin' with an open-ended equation. If you don't know what your opponent's packin' . . . well, you jus' might've done alot better than you should've.
"Sleepers/Q-ships". Ya gotta love'em.
Sometimes you're the bug n' sometimes you're the windshield.
Be well.

[simpletantra]

I know, you're right, but I was looking for the one answer that I didn't want to hear... that 200hp 3rd gen. preludes keep up with us s2ks. Thanks for the reply Java, who knows, maybe I'm looking for an excuse to go with the comptech.

[Java Junky]

So, if ya wanted ta lose the turkey why dincha jus' duck into some turns? Alotta satisfaction to be had in watchin' the dust fly through the rear-view.

[Halo]

'keep up with' is very vague.

But some things that come to mind:
- You went full throttle a half second later than him... that's all it takes, 0.5 second and a mid 14 second car can EASILY keep up with you to 120.
-You decided to 'lose' him when he was a gear below you and you weren't in VTEC range. Common mistake. Good forumla is 20mph for 1st, 40 for 2nd, 60 for 3rd and so on. Odd multiples of 10s are a problem because you're too fast for the lower gear, too slow for the next one.
-Your top was down (huge difference above 70mph)
-He had more mods than you could see

I guess the upshot of this is the S is just not that fast. It's a reasonably quick car if driven 10/10ths, but you cannot just mash the gas at any RPM and any speed and expect to pull away from cars in the low 200hp range.

[simpletantra]

Originally Posted by Halo

'keep up with' is very vague.

But some things that come to mind:
- You went full throttle a half second later than him... that's all it takes, 0.5 second and a mid 14 second car can EASILY keep up with you to 120.
-You decided to 'lose' him when he was a gear below you and you weren't in VTEC range. Common mistake. Good forumla is 20mph for 1st, 40 for 2nd, 60 for 3rd and so on. Odd multiples of 10s are a problem because you're too fast for the lower gear, too slow for the next one.
-Your top was down (huge difference above 70mph)
-He had more mods than you could see

I guess the upshot of this is the S is just not that fast. It's a reasonably quick car if driven 10/10ths, but you cannot just mash the gas at any RPM and any speed and expect to pull away from cars in the low 200hp range.

Very nicely put Halo. Two things, yes, I got on the gas a split second slower than he, and yes, I bet he has more mods than I initially thought. I got on the gas slower because I was not so much trying to "dust him" as I was trying to compare what his car could do with mine. His car was loud on the engine side (intake) and the exhaust side (high flow cat-back). Not to mention he was lowered with a couple tasteful stickers on the his windows. Maybe I'm going too far to say this but I take this as a sign of atleast some maturity. (The car wasn't exagerrated in any way for example: dragging on the ground, 20" rims, extremely loud pipe, etc.) He was also very respectful in his driving. Therefore, it really wouldn't surprise me if he had some high po cams/cam gears, ignition, header, chip, etc.
And the upshot part....I couldn't agree more. Especially when we have only 150ftlbs. of torque. The car has to be DRIVEN, and driven well to perform at its potential.

[passmans2kNY]

his might be turbo

[Java Junky]

Hell! If ya don't know what you're up against he could be runnin' on impluse power on dilithium crystals.
Be well.

[simpletantra]

Originally Posted by Java Junky

Hell! If ya don't know what you're up against he could be runnin' on impluse power on dilithium crystals.
Be well.

Now that, is funny.

[IP_Andrey]RUS[]

To get it cleared. 92-96 is a 4th gen prelude. I bet that cat had h22 swap. from 5th gen lude. 4th gen slightly lighter then a 5th there for with miner mods they can be in dissent shape. Right now I own an 5th gen and looking for buying an S. Stock to stock you would eat prelude a live. But like Halo mention you had some driving error there.


P.S. Nice run

-Andrey

[IP_Andrey]RUS[]

Oh forgot to mension that H22a4 is exactly smae size of an engine as an ap2 which is 2.2L 4 sroke.


-Andrey

[passmans2kNY]

which engine is a h23a in bc thats the only head stud kit the s2000 can use from arp, the h23a stud kit and u ditch the one extra long one and get one the same size as the rest

[IP_Andrey]RUS[]

h23 is non VTEC engine came in 4gen Preludes. I'm not quite getting what you saying... sorry I?m foreign

-Andrey

[passmans2kNY]

they were talking about h22s and i remembered that the only head studs that fit the s2000 are the ones made for a h23a, arp doesnt make em for the s2000, i just wanted to know which car the h23a was from, thanks

[IP_Andrey]RUS[]

^Haha sorry man. Well guess I got your answer covered

-Andrey

[Need For Speed 1]

Some Prelude motors are just gifted.