tested out an s2k today

RevvinAllDay · 11-16-2007, 09:29 PM

so i went to my local honda dealer today and tried out an 04 spa yellow s2k. the salesman was a total douchebag but the car was pretty awesome. i was surprised at the amount of torque the car had, but the 8k redline was a bit dissapointing, although hitting vtec was still insane. the amount of pull the car got at 6k was incredible. i told the guy how i was mainly looking for an 03 or below, and he began dogging on them, saying it was harder to meet smog, didnt have torque, blah blah blah. plus, since i haven't driven manual in a while, he began ragging on my driving abilities since some of my launches weren't exactly smooth. all in all, i love the car, but dont plan on going back to that dealer again.

Java Junky · 11-16-2007, 10:00 PM

Rev . . . a salesman who doesn't happen to be lookin' the other way when you don't shift 100% isn't gonna be there long. I wouldn't let a moron like that sour me on a dealership.
Be well.
Java

RevvinAllDay · 11-16-2007, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java Junky

Rev . . . a salesman who doesn't happen to be lookin' the other way when you don't shift 100% isn't gonna be there long. I wouldn't let a moron like that sour me on a dealership.
Be well.
Java

this is true. he even yelled at me goin 5mph over the limit.

Java Junky · 11-16-2007, 10:07 PM

They probably had his coffee cup n' pen set in a cardboard box on 'iz desk by the time you got back from your test drive.

Scooter · 11-16-2007, 10:36 PM

What a moron salesdude! No worries on smogging the 03 (and I recommend 03 if you want AP1, get the latest possible).

That's worse than my first guy - it got funny fast trying to figure out how to start it (my first time driving a stewie

but I figured that out. Before you all go "duh, the big button with START on it", I left out the detail that it was dark and the dome light was off. Then I showed him how to put the top down... But he NEVER showed me VTEC - I didn't get that until a week after I bought the critter!

RevvinAllDay · 11-16-2007, 11:53 PM

yeah thats what i figured. i also forgot about push button start. he started laughing at me when i kept trying to turn the ignition. i'd prefer goin ap1, but i like the everyday driveability of the ap2. from what i drove, it actually could get going quite easily at the low end. how much worse is the ap1 vs ap2 in terms of low end power?

Scooter · 11-17-2007, 12:41 AM

For my daily 25 mile commute, I now love the AP2. The AP1 had a bigger jump into VTEC (felt like it pushed me into the seat more, and my wife agrees), but the suspension was much rougher - although for the last couple of years I didn't care and loved the commute then too!
I've only had the 07 for about a month now, but I love it like my 03 because even without the hard VTEC kick it gets me going amazingly fast and she always jumps when I ask her to. And despite the new fancy handling control stuff, I still get it to slide when I want it to, just for fun and to surprise observers.
Back to your question, though, thinking about it, at low end they both feel the same to me. I know the gear ratios have changed, but at the low end it's still a rocket.

=scott

Java Junky · 11-17-2007, 05:48 AM

Rev, the torque and horsepower differences that can fill volumes r' totally minimal (As in it don't make a hill'a beans). All the "redline" hype is jus' that. The redline don't mean diddly. It's the torque n' horsepower whut puts the period at the end'a the sentence.
The real differences between the AP1 n' the AP2 lies in the suspension. If anythin's gonna make your decision for you it's the suspension.

gomarlins3 · 11-17-2007, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevvinAllDay

how much worse is the ap1 vs ap2 in terms of low end power?

It's 6 more lbs of tq. and 3 less HP, what's the big difference folks? If you really think you can feel the difference between 6 lbs. of tq. and not have 6 lbs. of tq. you're crazy.

They drive the same when it comes to the engine. The suspension is where the differences will be.

RevvinAllDay · 11-25-2007, 02:56 AM

yeah my thoughts exactly, which is why i want an ap1. revvin to 9 vs 8 is a big difference for only 6 lb ft.

11-16-2007, 09:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
RevvinAllDay Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 12	tested out an s2k today so i went to my local honda dealer today and tried out an 04 spa yellow s2k. the salesman was a total douchebag but the car was pretty awesome. i was surprised at the amount of torque the car had, but the 8k redline was a bit dissapointing, although hitting vtec was still insane. the amount of pull the car got at 6k was incredible. i told the guy how i was mainly looking for an 03 or below, and he began dogging on them, saying it was harder to meet smog, didnt have torque, blah blah blah. plus, since i haven't driven manual in a while, he began ragging on my driving abilities since some of my launches weren't exactly smooth. all in all, i love the car, but dont plan on going back to that dealer again.

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Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,287	Rev . . . a salesman who doesn't happen to be lookin' the other way when you don't shift 100% isn't gonna be there long. I wouldn't let a moron like that sour me on a dealership. Be well. Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

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Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,287	They probably had his coffee cup n' pen set in a cardboard box on 'iz desk by the time you got back from your test drive. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

11-17-2007, 05:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,287	Rev, the torque and horsepower differences that can fill volumes r' totally minimal (As in it don't make a hill'a beans). All the "redline" hype is jus' that. The redline don't mean diddly. It's the torque n' horsepower whut puts the period at the end'a the sentence. The real differences between the AP1 n' the AP2 lies in the suspension. If anythin's gonna make your decision for you it's the suspension. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room. Last edited by Java Junky : 11-17-2007 at 05:53 AM. Reason: Went down the wrong pipe

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11-16-2007, 10:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Scooter Senior Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 921	What a moron salesdude! No worries on smogging the 03 (and I recommend 03 if you want AP1, get the latest possible). That's worse than my first guy - it got funny fast trying to figure out how to start it (my first time driving a stewie but I figured that out. Before you all go "duh, the big button with START on it", I left out the detail that it was dark and the dome light was off. Then I showed him how to put the top down... But he NEVER showed me VTEC - I didn't get that until a week after I bought the critter!

11-16-2007, 11:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
RevvinAllDay Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 12	yeah thats what i figured. i also forgot about push button start. he started laughing at me when i kept trying to turn the ignition. i'd prefer goin ap1, but i like the everyday driveability of the ap2. from what i drove, it actually could get going quite easily at the low end. how much worse is the ap1 vs ap2 in terms of low end power?

11-17-2007, 12:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
Scooter Senior Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 921	For my daily 25 mile commute, I now love the AP2. The AP1 had a bigger jump into VTEC (felt like it pushed me into the seat more, and my wife agrees), but the suspension was much rougher - although for the last couple of years I didn't care and loved the commute then too! I've only had the 07 for about a month now, but I love it like my 03 because even without the hard VTEC kick it gets me going amazingly fast and she always jumps when I ask her to. And despite the new fancy handling control stuff, I still get it to slide when I want it to, just for fun and to surprise observers. Back to your question, though, thinking about it, at low end they both feel the same to me. I know the gear ratios have changed, but at the low end it's still a rocket. =scott

11-25-2007, 02:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
RevvinAllDay Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 12	yeah my thoughts exactly, which is why i want an ap1. revvin to 9 vs 8 is a big difference for only 6 lb ft.