Which is faster?

johnmcs1 · 02-09-2008, 06:15 AM

AP1 or AP2. Has the change in softening the suspension settings slowed the AP2 or what? Any facts to back up your claims!

Regards,

John

Java Junky · 02-09-2008, 06:18 AM

John, you've come onto a great site with all kind'z'a info at your fingertips.
Take the time to look around at the current and past threads n' posts, n' you even have the option to go to "search" and pinpoint what it is that you wanna find out.
The info's in there, many times over.
Be well,
Java

gomarlins3 · 02-09-2008, 07:06 AM

Oh no, not again?!?!

Neil · 02-09-2008, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnmcs1

AP1 or AP2. Has the change in softening the suspension settings slowed the AP2 or what? Any facts to back up your claims!

Regards,

John

A previously well discused post John, research the past for all the answers.

Neil.............................Wales

Java Junky · 02-09-2008, 08:08 AM

The red one.

Neil · 02-09-2008, 08:43 AM

The finest steel has just whispered past my ear...................I have been knighted

Thanks JJ

Java Junky · 02-09-2008, 08:46 AM

Not that red one.

Neil · 02-09-2008, 11:31 AM

Showoff !

Java Junky · 02-09-2008, 11:46 AM

Na' bluh'ey loikely Neil.
Mine ain't red.
'Jus' couldn't have you walkin' aroun' havin' everybody address ya as "Sir" Neil z'all.

Neil · 02-09-2008, 07:03 PM

Your cracking me up Java........................lol

controller · 02-09-2008, 08:31 PM

I'll answer again: yes. They are fast. Buy one.

Yellow is the fastest.

bobby2002s2k. · 02-09-2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by controller

I'll answer again: yes. They are fast. Buy one.

Yellow is the fastest.

No, no. Silver! Like a bullet! lol

cbrguy7 · 02-10-2008, 01:49 AM

oh god, way to start an argument...

oh btw Ap1FTW

H20 · 02-10-2008, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby2002s2k.

No, no. Silver! Like a bullet! lol

Naa Red is fastest. They are the only ones that get speeding tickets standing still.

Neil · 02-10-2008, 08:37 AM

http://drive.gtchannel.com/?c=127&a=1503
This might be the answer....top video

Neil

jagg · 02-10-2008, 10:50 AM

Check out the stainless steel gonads on this old man.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7662325404894830688&q=s2000+nurburgring&total=64&s tart=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

jagg

Neil · 02-10-2008, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagg

Check out the stainless steel gonads on this old man.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7662325404894830688&q=s2000+nurburgring&total=64&s tart=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

jagg

Something tells me he's driven that course before.............once or twice

Neil

Java Junky · 02-10-2008, 12:42 PM

The simple, but very noticable difference between a driver n' someone who jus' owns a car.
Java

johnmcs1 · 02-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Sorry for annoying all you long timers. Just to clear something up. Over here in the land that never stops raining (Ireland) the AP1 and AP2 both have the 2.0 liter engine. I forgot that the US and Japan both had changed to the 2.2 liter. Europe still has the 2.0 liter.
The question I was asking was about the difference, if any between the 2 versions with the same engine.
Again sorry for buggin' y'all!!

John

controller · 02-13-2008, 08:36 AM

The tweaks are minor. From what I've read the suspension changes try to address the tendency for sudden oversteer at the edges of handling. There is also the addition of a clutch delay valve to sacrifice clutch life for the rest of the drive train components. To me, the changes are subjective, and the only real answer to your question is to get some seat time with either.

Java Junky · 02-13-2008, 08:53 AM

John, curiosity: have you made use'a that ever-present wet-weather to learn slidin' a car?
I don't get the impression that folks with alodda rain durin' the year only go out when it's dry, so I'm guessin' you've a healthy ability with runnin' a little "loose".
Java

johnmcs1 · 02-14-2008, 10:28 PM

You're right Java. I use the S all the time, in all weather. As I've only bought the car a few months ago and it means almost as much to me as my 'family jewels' I try to take it easy in the corners in wet weather.
I had an Integra Type R DC5 (I really loved fighting the torque steer in the corners) before this and as I've heard so many horror stories of guys loosing the back end of a rwd car after changing from fwd I'm trying to be good. I'll have to watch Gan San in the prototype on the ring again for lessons.

Neil · 02-15-2008, 04:41 AM

[quote=johnmcs1;30904]You're right Java. I use the S all the time, in all weather. As I've only bought the car a few months ago and it means almost as much to me as my 'family jewels' I try to take it easy in the corners in wet weather.

Your in an exclusive club over there John, being that only two new units were sold in Ireland in 2007

johnmcs1 · 02-16-2008, 01:48 AM

You're right Neil. The S2000 is a very rare car here. Brand new it costs around 62,000 euro. (about $90000 US) As a result anyone buying a car of that value always goes for the better brand name (badge snobbery), i.e. BMW, Porsche etc.

Another problem for the S now here is there has been a change in the vehicle taxation system. Car tax here will be based on car CO2 emissions from July 2008 and the S falls into the highest category ($2934 road tax per annum) and a vehicle registration tax on this car when bought new goes up from 30% to 36% thus making it more expensive to buy (making the car new cost over $94000).
I'd put money on it that there'll be no new S2000's sold in Ireland in 2008 or ever again.

I guess it's RIP for the S in Ireland.

Neil · 02-16-2008, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnmcs1

You're right Neil. The S2000 is a very rare car here. Brand new it costs around 62,000 euro. (about $90000 US) As a result anyone buying a car of that value always goes for the better brand name (badge snobbery), i.e. BMW, Porsche etc.

Another problem for the S now here is there has been a change in the vehicle taxation system. Car tax here will be based on car CO2 emissions from July 2008 and the S falls into the highest category ($2934 road tax per annum) and a vehicle registration tax on this car when bought new goes up from 30% to 36% thus making it more expensive to buy (making the car new cost over $94000).
I'd put money on it that there'll be no new S2000's sold in Ireland in 2008 or ever again.

I guess it's RIP for the S in Ireland.

Pricing in the U.K. 27-29,000.00 Sterling, US pricing 15,000.00 Sterling
WELL ,YOU'D HAVE TO BE RICH AND FAMOUS LIKE YOU TO OWN ONE.
( Hey guys we've got somebody rich and famous here !!!!!!!!)

All the best,

Neil

02-09-2008, 06:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
johnmcs1 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 89	Which is faster? AP1 or AP2. Has the change in softening the suspension settings slowed the AP2 or what? Any facts to back up your claims! Regards, John

02-09-2008, 06:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,223	John, you've come onto a great site with all kind'z'a info at your fingertips. Take the time to look around at the current and past threads n' posts, n' you even have the option to go to "search" and pinpoint what it is that you wanna find out. The info's in there, many times over. Be well, Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

02-09-2008, 07:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
gomarlins3 "Enjoy the drive" Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kuna Idaho Posts: 2,446	Oh no, not again?!?! __________________ Happiness is a nice road, great weather, and driving the S with Sue in the seat next to me. "Whatever you do, where ever you go, enjoy the drive." I know for a FACT that the last year of production of the S2000 is 2003!!!!! After that, it will be the S2200 under an assumed name.

02-09-2008, 08:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,223	The red one. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

02-09-2008, 08:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,223	Not *that* red one. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

02-09-2008, 08:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 800	The finest steel has just whispered past my ear...................I have been knighted Thanks JJ

02-09-2008, 11:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 800	Showoff !

02-09-2008, 11:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,223	Na' bluh'ey loikely Neil. Mine ain't red. 'Jus' couldn't have you walkin' aroun' havin' everybody address ya as "Sir" Neil z'all. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

02-09-2008, 07:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 800	Your cracking me up Java........................lol

02-09-2008, 08:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
controller Yellow is the fastest. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 278	I'll answer again: yes. They are fast. Buy one. Yellow is the fastest.

02-10-2008, 01:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
cbrguy7 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Pheonix,Az Posts: 270	oh god, way to start an argument... oh btw Ap1FTW __________________ 無限

02-10-2008, 08:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 800	http://drive.gtchannel.com/?c=127&a=1503 This might be the answer....top video Neil

02-10-2008, 10:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,365	Check out the stainless steel gonads on this old man. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7662325404894830688&q=s2000+nurburgring&total=64&s tart=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 jagg

02-10-2008, 12:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,223	The simple, but very noticable difference between a driver n' someone who jus' owns a car. Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room. Last edited by Java Junky : 02-13-2008 at 08:50 AM. Reason: 'Can't spell. Who'd'a thunk it!

02-12-2008, 02:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
johnmcs1 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 89	Sorry for annoying all you long timers. Just to clear something up. Over here in the land that never stops raining (Ireland) the AP1 and AP2 both have the 2.0 liter engine. I forgot that the US and Japan both had changed to the 2.2 liter. Europe still has the 2.0 liter. The question I was asking was about the difference, if any between the 2 versions with the same engine. Again sorry for buggin' y'all!! John

02-13-2008, 08:36 AM	#20 (permalink)
controller Yellow is the fastest. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 278	The tweaks are minor. From what I've read the suspension changes try to address the tendency for sudden oversteer at the edges of handling. There is also the addition of a clutch delay valve to sacrifice clutch life for the rest of the drive train components. To me, the changes are subjective, and the only real answer to your question is to get some seat time with either.

02-13-2008, 08:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,223	John, curiosity: have you made use'a that ever-present wet-weather to learn slidin' a car? I don't get the impression that folks with alodda rain durin' the year only go out when it's dry, so I'm guessin' you've a healthy ability with runnin' a little "loose". Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

02-14-2008, 10:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
johnmcs1 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 89	You're right Java. I use the S all the time, in all weather. As I've only bought the car a few months ago and it means almost as much to me as my 'family jewels' I try to take it easy in the corners in wet weather. I had an Integra Type R DC5 (I really loved fighting the torque steer in the corners) before this and as I've heard so many horror stories of guys loosing the back end of a rwd car after changing from fwd I'm trying to be good. I'll have to watch Gan San in the prototype on the ring again for lessons.

02-15-2008, 04:41 AM	#23 (permalink)
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 800	[quote=johnmcs1;30904]You're right Java. I use the S all the time, in all weather. As I've only bought the car a few months ago and it means almost as much to me as my 'family jewels' I try to take it easy in the corners in wet weather. Your in an exclusive club over there John, being that only two new units were sold in Ireland in 2007

02-16-2008, 01:48 AM	#24 (permalink)
johnmcs1 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 89	You're right Neil. The S2000 is a very rare car here. Brand new it costs around 62,000 euro. (about $90000 US) As a result anyone buying a car of that value always goes for the better brand name (badge snobbery), i.e. BMW, Porsche etc. Another problem for the S now here is there has been a change in the vehicle taxation system. Car tax here will be based on car CO2 emissions from July 2008 and the S falls into the highest category ($2934 road tax per annum) and a vehicle registration tax on this car when bought new goes up from 30% to 36% thus making it more expensive to buy (making the car new cost over $94000). I'd put money on it that there'll be no new S2000's sold in Ireland in 2008 or ever again. I guess it's RIP for the S in Ireland.

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