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Old 07-29-2003, 09:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stepless Throttles VTEC

At http://www.pattakon.com/ a new Continuously Variable Valve Actuation system is presented, with working prototype photos, plots and animations (even stereoscopic ones).

It is like Honda's VTEC or Toyota's VVTLi, just with infinite steps starting from zero.

Any engine, racing or normal, can be improved, even the champion S2000.
Its maximum power output can be higher and at the same time its torque curve can be more flat and strong along the whole rev range.
But the big difference from the original engine is at low revs and partial loads. Smooth, economic, clean and driver friendly.


We need your comments and objections.

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Old 07-30-2003, 04:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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what sort of weight would this setup add to the valvetrain? Assuming there is a weight deficit (more spinning mass) wouldn't this inhibit maximum engine speed and longevity? Finally, any dynos?
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Old 07-30-2003, 11:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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what sort of weight would this setup add to the valvetrain? Assuming there is a weight deficit (more spinning mass) wouldn't this inhibit maximum engine speed and longevity? Finally, any dynos?
Hello.

Talking for the quickly moving parts, the new system can actually reduce the weight.
For instance, the rocker arms instead of three per pair of valves can be just one, and only one roller cam follower is used in new VVA per pair of valves.
The camshafts also can be a little lighter and a lot cheaper, as it is needed just one cam lobe per pair of valves, so totally 8 cam lobes in the engine instead of 24 in S2000.
The control levers replace the pivot shafts, and they are heavier. But they are slowly moving parts, so they do not add inertia loads.

At idling, at low revs and at partial loads (that is at very low valve lifts) the new VVA operates with very light loads, which in turn improve reliability and longevity. For instance, removing the timing belt and keeping the control shafts at idling position, you can rotate the camshafts easily by your small finger. This means very smooth and free from friction operation. Try the same in any other system (conventional or VTEC) to see the difference, especially in ?racing? engines where the strong valve springs load the valve train system with friction and wear even from idling.

The engine is the first and unique prototype, its construction accuracy is not the proper one, its carburetor cannot feed the engine correctly and the spark is not advanced according the new operational conditions. Nevertheless, the behavior of the engine is remarkably good, as well as the reliability of the mechanism.
As you understand it is meaningless to get dyno graphs in this case.

The next project with fuel injection, correct spark timing and proper construction accuracy will be measured in dynamometer and the graphs will be published in the web site.

By the way, do you know the
1. valve lift used in S2000?
2. the timing of the crankshafts at low and high lift operation?
3. the differences between S2000 and Civic TypeR 2000 cc cylinder heads? (forget the driving of the camshafts)
4. where can be found more technical info (like valve lift to crank angle curves)?

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Old 07-31-2003, 03:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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check out the this link: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=2
there's some info in the last post regarding valve lift, duration etc. This is for the TODA Version 2 cams (I would start with these rather than the OEM honda cams if you want to make power)

Differences between s2000 and civic type R head are as follows:
http://alaniztechnologies.com/rsxf20c1flowcahrt.html
might be worth emailing them to find out some more.

on number 4 ya got me, no idea try searching on s2ki.com or better still try posting to the under the hood section on there with details and a link (might drum up some interest). Ultimate Lurker (one of the members) is probably your best bet when it comes to the technical stuff.

hope this helps.
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check out the this link: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=2
there's some info in the last post regarding valve lift, duration etc. This is for the TODA Version 2 ... Lurker (one of the members) is probably your best bet when it comes to the technical stuff.

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