Exhaust System

SaltyDog · 04-26-2005, 02:26 PM

I love my S2000 but I don't believe it has the sound out the back that it should. Is there a great benefit to installing a catback system or are new mufflers the answer? What have you done? Also, my S2000 is an '04; is it just me or are there silencers inside those exhaust tips that can be removed?

s2000_vtec_mike · 04-26-2005, 07:35 PM

go save your self around 3 grand canadian n go get js racing headers n js racing exhost u will be blown away from how much hores power it give u its unbeliveable and it sownds better than iuno but its goood lol

SaltyDog · 04-27-2005, 05:51 PM

So after reading some other previous posts on exhausts systems, it sounds like the Invidia would definitely give me the sound I'm looking for. I've done a little more research and was wondering if the Amuse R1 racing headers and full exhaust would be worth my time and money. Your input please. Thanks!

Admires2k · 04-27-2005, 08:55 PM

I was looking into the invidia exhaust system. anyone know about that?

wowowox · 04-28-2005, 02:18 AM

what do u want to know ? ...ummm it will defenetely give u the sound u desire .... its too loud for me

S2000_TURK · 04-28-2005, 03:20 AM

may be it is off topic a little bit

but I am wondering what you thing about the mugen headers

cuz I already bought it and didin't get it installed yet

my second question is, what should I buy to compete with my mugen headers?

thank you

wowowox · 04-28-2005, 12:33 PM

i guess just like what all the company say ... if u got the header or the exhaust, then use the same brand for the other cause it will look nice, fit better and greater performace @@

Admires2k · 04-28-2005, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wowowox

what do u want to know ? ...ummm it will defenetely give u the sound u desire .... its too loud for me

like on a comparison to say, spoon exhaust. am i going to get the correct advantages for the $400 ill spend on it? I really dont want to spend $800+ for spoon

wowowox · 04-29-2005, 02:52 AM

spoon is very loud if u guys want to know more about the exhaust for s2000 , go to s2000 exhaust library .... just search on google and u anyone should be able to find it

S2000_TURK · 04-30-2005, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wowowox

i guess just like what all the company say ... if u got the header or the exhaust, then use the same brand for the other cause it will look nice, fit better and greater performace @@

but the mugen exhaust system really sucks a friend of mine used to have that he sold the exhaust after 2 months I was about to buy them he didin'T want to sell me

s2000_vtec_mike · 05-02-2005, 08:11 PM

wut the hell guys mugen is over priced js racing is the only way to go there around 1600 can and there the best on the maket for s2000 no dougt about it y are u guys looking for spoon if u compare u can c that the spoon is so much smaller than the js racing and invidia doesnt give u half as much hores power as the js racing exhost DO YOU RESEARCH

S2000_TURK · 05-03-2005, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2000_vtec_mike

invidia doesnt give u half as much hores power as the js racing exhost DO YOU RESEARCH

is that true mike?

can you compare Js racing and invidia in terms of prices
I can buy invidia cat back exhaust system for 1.350 shipping included

where can I get a js racing for this price?

S2000_TURK · 05-03-2005, 03:02 AM

J's racing has only 1 muffler oh nooooooooo

drdre1443 · 05-03-2005, 10:07 AM

the HKS Hi-Power exhaust sounds great on s2000library.com

I had the hi-power on my 3.0 CL and it was great!

S2000_TURK · 05-04-2005, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drdre1443

the HKS Hi-Power exhaust sounds great on s2000library.com

I had the hi-power on my 3.0 CL and it was great!

a friend of mine told me that
HKS hi-power gives the car minus (-)hp it looks cool and the price is alright but the perfomance...

Halo · 05-04-2005, 10:04 AM

None of these bolt on exhausts do crap for HP in the real world. The manufacturers may post some BS numbers of a contrived test on their own dyno for 5hp (PEAK!) gain. These tests, no doubt, are totally biased with a worst-run stock compared to a best-run modded. But the gains they claim are within the "noise" of just running your car a few times on a dyno. When you see actual results of real cars in the real world, the gains are negligible, if any. Comptech is the only honest company since they don't claim bogus gains.

s2000_vtec_mike · 05-04-2005, 01:17 PM

yea halo is rite. most bolt ons are crap but some are true to there word hks says there package will give a 9 hp incress thats total bulshit its just got hks logo and a nice sound if u want true jap style racing exhost the only way to go is js racing anf buddy who is spending 1300 on invidia sorry ur getting riped off i can get a invidia installed for 800 canadian and its way to loud i love loud but after a month of that shit its to loud and your basicly added attention to your car and no one wants that but if your one of those guys who are all show and no go get your invidia ul be sorry and you will be thinking o i should have gone wit js racing or spoon and js racing just came out wit dual exhost and il be putting that on but its less h/p because its dual but i liek the dual look but if u are a true builder you wont buy dual you will go one out but i like the dual look andyways invida,hks and all those bs companys dont give h/p gains but jsracing spoon and comptech give u noticable power gains around corners and power shifting

drdre1443 · 05-04-2005, 06:57 PM

wow, I've used HKS for years on several cars and they DO produce power.

But according to you, sir, I guess I'll just group HKS together with APC, right?

Halo · 05-04-2005, 07:40 PM

THe fact that an aftermarket exhaust produced power on other cars has no bearing at all on the F20c. This engine is producing 240 crank hp from 2L stock, that's not an accident. Air is flowing about as well as it can through this engine with the stock parts.

The only advantages to an exhaust would be weight savings (a single Ti exhaust can drop 50lb off the car), looks (nothing wrong with wanting to look good out there) and sound. I agree that the Invidia is a bit loud for daily use. But, compared to some Ti singles I've heard, it sounds like a bee farting

drdre1443 · 05-04-2005, 11:52 PM

you have good points to make halo!

the LAST thing I would want in an exhaust is the "bees stuck in a beer can" sound!!!

I understand a little how this car was designed but I respect how much it has been fine-tuned! I was just speaking from experience with other applications of how HKS is a reputable company and does manke power on cars.....

I, for one, never expect anything other than sound and looks from an exhaust unless I'm turbo.....

S2000_TURK · 05-05-2005, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2000_vtec_mike

yea halo is rite. most bolt ons are crap but some are true to there word hks says there package will give a 9 hp incress thats total bulshit its just got hks logo and a nice sound if u want true jap style racing exhost the only way to go is js racing anf buddy who is spending 1300 on invidia sorry ur getting riped off i can get a invidia installed for 800 canadian

oii mike I'm living in istanbul it is too far from canada I pay nearly double price for shipping and taxes

I spend 6.200usd what I bought is only a carbon fiber seibon bonnet, a secondhand fiberglass mugen hard top and mugen headers , vogtland lowering springs

My personal opinoin is to buy Amuse R1 extra but it will cost me like 3.000 usd

since the prices are like this for me I how no chance but the invidia

can you advice me something lower than 1.500dolars with us prices
and where I can find

I really need that kind of help
thank you

wowowox · 05-05-2005, 04:31 AM

have u tried the Fujisubo ?? its not expansive, ok sound and ok gain ...

Luckyace · 05-06-2005, 06:45 AM

damn it!! I hated whenever this topic show up, you people just don't get it. DO YOU ALL REALLY THINK BY ADDING AN EXHUAST SYSTEM WILL GAIN HP? Answere? YES. How much hp? NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO FEEL THE DIFFERENT. 2-5 hp gain is not enough to feel a different on a 240hp car, think about it.................... And definitely not enough hp gain to spent 750-1,000 USD. UNLESSSSSSSSSS, SOUNDDDDD is what you looking for, ACTUALLY SOUND AND LOOK WILL BE THE ONLY NOTICEABLE DIFFERENT.

Honestly, for 1,000 USD I recommend getting a fully adjustable COILOVER SYSTEM, it'll cost a little bit more, but belive me your money is well spent. Coilover will improve your handling and acceleration due to stiffer shocks and springs, not to mention they're fully adjustable from height to stiffness.
I do agreed that the Invidia is loud, i'ved heard it, in my opinion Comptech has the best sound value!!!!
GO TO THIS SITE AND DL THE DYNO VIDEO THIS S2000 SOUND LIKE AN F1 CAR. Like I said before, sound and look will be the only major gain.

http://www.killer-f20c.com/exhaust.html

S2000_TURK · 05-06-2005, 07:45 AM

luckyace you sound very confident about what you are saying
would you mind if we see the pictures of your car?

drdre1443 · 05-06-2005, 10:08 AM

well my main concern for exhaust on this car is sound and looks, and well....always price!

I think we can all agree the 2000 was well tuned by honda to begin with so added parts won't bring the same numbers as other cars.

now also, are these small gains youre talking about....1-3 HP...measued as crank HP or WHP? b/c I would assume 1-3 WHP is 5-7 crank HP regained and 2-3% HP regained is normal for a a catback system.

S2000_TURK · 05-06-2005, 12:14 PM

anyway if I would like to install a supercharger on my car in the future

I can't use the stock manifold and exhaust system could I?

I think we can do better without S/c or turbo in terms of having less problems with our cars I personally prefer a toda stroker kit

drdre1443 I couldn't be quite agree with you sir
there is always better
and human being is searching for it

Luckyace · 05-06-2005, 06:04 PM

damn it people think before you answere!!!!
HKS is not like APC, their product do offer gain of HP, BUTTTT, when you talking about s2000, power gain from cat-back system are very limited, regardless of brand, and we all know this, Right? we have to keep in mind that the s2000 is tweak to almost it max, unless we go F/I, adding parts that normally would gain HP in regular car will not get you far in the HP chart. Howerver, cat-back and header will give gain if you go F\I along with it to complement the F\I.

and turk to answere your question, NO I do not have an S2000, however i'll will get one very soon, around this month. I'll post picture when I get my s2000. I know I do not own an s2000, but i've been waiting 3 years for it and i'ved done extensive research, beside owning one, I can guaranteed you TurK that I know more about the s2000 than most of the owner does, and also being a mechanic help a lot too. I'm not saying I know everything and I don't want to offend anyone, but with these subject I do have extensive knowledge about it.

drdre1443 · 05-06-2005, 07:40 PM

Thinking is not required to be president, so why do I have to think before I post?

Luckyace · 05-07-2005, 01:23 AM

You're right!!! thinking is not require to run for president, but you're not running for president right now.

s2000_vtec_mike · 05-07-2005, 09:55 AM

you guys should not start something by the way this is s2000 talk not wwe wrestling we are trying to have a nice talk about this conversation topic and who cares if ur a mechanic who knows evrything about an s2000 honestly good for you and i am happy you did research on this car but now thats out you guys should really talk about this and not talk about whos knows what better and give opinions

04-26-2005, 02:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
SaltyDog Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	Exhaust System I love my S2000 but I don't believe it has the sound out the back that it should. Is there a great benefit to installing a catback system or are new mufflers the answer? What have you done? Also, my S2000 is an '04; is it just me or are there silencers inside those exhaust tips that can be removed?

04-26-2005, 07:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
s2000_vtec_mike Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 62	go save your self around 3 grand canadian n go get js racing headers n js racing exhost u will be blown away from how much hores power it give u its unbeliveable and it sownds better than iuno but its goood lol

04-27-2005, 05:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
SaltyDog Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	So after reading some other previous posts on exhausts systems, it sounds like the Invidia would definitely give me the sound I'm looking for. I've done a little more research and was wondering if the Amuse R1 racing headers and full exhaust would be worth my time and money. Your input please. Thanks!

04-27-2005, 08:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Admires2k Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 7	I was looking into the invidia exhaust system. anyone know about that?

04-28-2005, 02:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
wowowox Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 313	what do u want to know ? ...ummm it will defenetely give u the sound u desire .... its too loud for me

04-28-2005, 03:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
S2000_TURK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101	may be it is off topic a little bit but I am wondering what you thing about the mugen headers cuz I already bought it and didin't get it installed yet my second question is, what should I buy to compete with my mugen headers? thank you

04-28-2005, 12:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
wowowox Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 313	i guess just like what all the company say ... if u got the header or the exhaust, then use the same brand for the other cause it will look nice, fit better and greater performace @@

04-29-2005, 02:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
wowowox Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 313	spoon is very loud if u guys want to know more about the exhaust for s2000 , go to s2000 exhaust library .... just search on google and u anyone should be able to find it

05-02-2005, 08:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
s2000_vtec_mike Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 62	wut the hell guys mugen is over priced js racing is the only way to go there around 1600 can and there the best on the maket for s2000 no dougt about it y are u guys looking for spoon if u compare u can c that the spoon is so much smaller than the js racing and invidia doesnt give u half as much hores power as the js racing exhost DO YOU RESEARCH

05-03-2005, 03:02 AM	#13 (permalink)
S2000_TURK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101	J's racing has only 1 muffler oh nooooooooo

05-03-2005, 10:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
drdre1443 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 31	the HKS Hi-Power exhaust sounds great on s2000library.com I had the hi-power on my 3.0 CL and it was great!

05-04-2005, 10:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 610	None of these bolt on exhausts do crap for HP in the real world. The manufacturers may post some BS numbers of a contrived test on their own dyno for 5hp (PEAK!) gain. These tests, no doubt, are totally biased with a worst-run stock compared to a best-run modded. But the gains they claim are within the "noise" of just running your car a few times on a dyno. When you see actual results of real cars in the real world, the gains are negligible, if any. Comptech is the only honest company since they don't claim bogus gains.

05-04-2005, 01:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
s2000_vtec_mike Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 62	yea halo is rite. most bolt ons are crap but some are true to there word hks says there package will give a 9 hp incress thats total bulshit its just got hks logo and a nice sound if u want true jap style racing exhost the only way to go is js racing anf buddy who is spending 1300 on invidia sorry ur getting riped off i can get a invidia installed for 800 canadian and its way to loud i love loud but after a month of that shit its to loud and your basicly added attention to your car and no one wants that but if your one of those guys who are all show and no go get your invidia ul be sorry and you will be thinking o i should have gone wit js racing or spoon and js racing just came out wit dual exhost and il be putting that on but its less h/p because its dual but i liek the dual look but if u are a true builder you wont buy dual you will go one out but i like the dual look andyways invida,hks and all those bs companys dont give h/p gains but jsracing spoon and comptech give u noticable power gains around corners and power shifting

05-04-2005, 06:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
drdre1443 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 31	wow, I've used HKS for years on several cars and they DO produce power. But according to you, sir, I guess I'll just group HKS together with APC, right?

05-04-2005, 07:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 610	THe fact that an aftermarket exhaust produced power on other cars has no bearing at all on the F20c. This engine is producing 240 crank hp from 2L stock, that's not an accident. Air is flowing about as well as it can through this engine with the stock parts. The only advantages to an exhaust would be weight savings (a single Ti exhaust can drop 50lb off the car), looks (nothing wrong with wanting to look good out there) and sound. I agree that the Invidia is a bit loud for daily use. But, compared to some Ti singles I've heard, it sounds like a bee farting

05-04-2005, 11:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
drdre1443 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 31	you have good points to make halo! the LAST thing I would want in an exhaust is the "bees stuck in a beer can" sound!!! I understand a little how this car was designed but I respect how much it has been fine-tuned! I was just speaking from experience with other applications of how HKS is a reputable company and does manke power on cars..... I, for one, never expect anything other than sound and looks from an exhaust unless I'm turbo.....

05-05-2005, 04:31 AM	#22 (permalink)
wowowox Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 313	have u tried the Fujisubo ?? its not expansive, ok sound and ok gain ...

05-06-2005, 06:45 AM	#23 (permalink)
Luckyace Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 49	damn it!! I hated whenever this topic show up, you people just don't get it. DO YOU ALL REALLY THINK BY ADDING AN EXHUAST SYSTEM WILL GAIN HP? Answere? YES. How much hp? NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO FEEL THE DIFFERENT. 2-5 hp gain is not enough to feel a different on a 240hp car, think about it.................... And definitely not enough hp gain to spent 750-1,000 USD. UNLESSSSSSSSSS, SOUNDDDDD is what you looking for, ACTUALLY SOUND AND LOOK WILL BE THE ONLY NOTICEABLE DIFFERENT. Honestly, for 1,000 USD I recommend getting a fully adjustable COILOVER SYSTEM, it'll cost a little bit more, but belive me your money is well spent. Coilover will improve your handling and acceleration due to stiffer shocks and springs, not to mention they're fully adjustable from height to stiffness. I do agreed that the Invidia is loud, i'ved heard it, in my opinion Comptech has the best sound value!!!! GO TO THIS SITE AND DL THE DYNO VIDEO THIS S2000 SOUND LIKE AN F1 CAR. Like I said before, sound and look will be the only major gain. http://www.killer-f20c.com/exhaust.html

05-06-2005, 07:45 AM	#24 (permalink)
S2000_TURK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101	luckyace you sound very confident about what you are saying would you mind if we see the pictures of your car?

05-06-2005, 10:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
drdre1443 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 31	well my main concern for exhaust on this car is sound and looks, and well....always price! I think we can all agree the 2000 was well tuned by honda to begin with so added parts won't bring the same numbers as other cars. now also, are these small gains youre talking about....1-3 HP...measued as crank HP or WHP? b/c I would assume 1-3 WHP is 5-7 crank HP regained and 2-3% HP regained is normal for a a catback system.

05-06-2005, 12:14 PM	#26 (permalink)
S2000_TURK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101	anyway if I would like to install a supercharger on my car in the future I can't use the stock manifold and exhaust system could I? I think we can do better without S/c or turbo in terms of having less problems with our cars I personally prefer a toda stroker kit drdre1443 I couldn't be quite agree with you sir there is always better and human being is searching for it

05-06-2005, 06:04 PM	#27 (permalink)
Luckyace Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 49	damn it people think before you answere!!!! HKS is not like APC, their product do offer gain of HP, BUTTTT, when you talking about s2000, power gain from cat-back system are very limited, regardless of brand, and we all know this, Right? we have to keep in mind that the s2000 is tweak to almost it max, unless we go F/I, adding parts that normally would gain HP in regular car will not get you far in the HP chart. Howerver, cat-back and header will give gain if you go F\I along with it to complement the F\I. and turk to answere your question, NO I do not have an S2000, however i'll will get one very soon, around this month. I'll post picture when I get my s2000. I know I do not own an s2000, but i've been waiting 3 years for it and i'ved done extensive research, beside owning one, I can guaranteed you TurK that I know more about the s2000 than most of the owner does, and also being a mechanic help a lot too. I'm not saying I know everything and I don't want to offend anyone, but with these subject I do have extensive knowledge about it.

05-06-2005, 07:40 PM	#28 (permalink)
drdre1443 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 31	Thinking is not required to be president, so why do I have to think before I post?

05-07-2005, 01:23 AM	#29 (permalink)
Luckyace Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 49	You're right!!! thinking is not require to run for president, but you're not running for president right now.

05-07-2005, 09:55 AM	#30 (permalink)
s2000_vtec_mike Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 62	you guys should not start something by the way this is s2000 talk not wwe wrestling we are trying to have a nice talk about this conversation topic and who cares if ur a mechanic who knows evrything about an s2000 honestly good for you and i am happy you did research on this car but now thats out you guys should really talk about this and not talk about whos knows what better and give opinions