Why is it ap1>ap2????

[s2k1990]

Originally Posted by J'sS2K

I do feel the difference when I drive an AP1. If you went into the corner at the same speed as you would with an AP2, the rear would slide. It feels like the rear breaks loose more on an AP1. Maybe, it's the suspension set up. I don't feel any difference power wise though.

The ap1 had a tendency to over-steer. They fixed that in the ap2

[turbosix]

Originally Posted by s2k1990

The ap1 had a tendency to over-steer. They fixed that in the ap2

oversteer is controllable.... *if* you know what you are doing. they softened it up in the ap2 because as you know... most of the general public does not know what they are doing.

understeer is easier to control if you arent expecting it, a lot of people freak out if the rear of the car comes loose and try to counter steer yet end up overcorrecting and then its all over.

[gomarlins3]

Contrary to my sig, I really do not have a preference either way. I have never driven an AP2, but do like the changes to the headlights, tail lights and rear bumper. I just wish they named it what it should be named to stay true to Honda's history with the S models.

[jagg]

oversteer is controllable.... *if* you know what you are doing. they softened it up in the ap2 because as you know... most of the general public does not know what they are doing.

This would be my understanding of the ap1 vs. ap2 evolution. ap1 was just a little too harsh for the average American driver, and we all know this is the market Honda needs to cater to. Thus the reason that other markets still keep the F20, and it's over the top characteristics.

They made it slightly more livable to the average buyer. Not significant at the limits, but Honda deserves credit for actually improving (as per a given criteria) on an already near perfect configuration.

AP1 VS. AP2 is like comparing apples to another kinda apple.

Roll on,
jagg

[Nine1Sickness]

Originally Posted by RL1924

AP1>AP2 cause thats all they could afford... Or AP2 was not out yet

I don't know, but I like the way the AP1 looks better, but thats just me.

[J'sS2K]

If you haven't driven both car to their limits, you can't tell the difference. Daily commute and occasionally hard acceleration can't distinguish them from one another. Someone people like the idea of revving to 9k RPM and defend AP1, some like the torque of an AP2 and argue. The major difference in term of performance wise is in the suspensions!

How the hell did I get sucked into this...AHHHH WTF! just drive the dang thing...

[Scooter]

Daily Driver wise I changed from AP1 to AP2 because the ride is a bit smoother. Really, though, my wife was more comfortable in the new one and since both performed fantastic for me, that was good enough to change. They're both awesome...

[RL1924]

Originally Posted by Nine1Sickness

I don't know, but I like the way the AP1 looks better, but thats just me.

I am sure that there are few that like the AP1s looks over AP2 but I have read many threads on how to convert AP1 to AP2s not 2 to 1, But hey there both S great looking cars, its just suddle differences

[H20]

Originally Posted by RL1924

I am sure that there are few that like the AP1s looks over AP2 but I have read many threads on how to convert AP1 to AP2s not 2 to 1, But hey there both S great looking cars, its just suddle differences

If I were to build a frankenS2000 using all S2000 parts, it would be a AP1 motor, a 2009 interior, AP1 nose with AP2 headlights, AP2 rear, AP2 transmission, AP2 diff and CR wheels.
Or a brit 2009 model with AP1 front bumper. I think the Brits have some kind of road tax depending on engine size. That's my guess as to why they have the 2000cc engine still.
All in NFR thanks.
And I would like to know if anyone has blown up a late model differential. I'm guessing the 701HP guy could! They are said to be beefed up but I don't know the particulars or if it's even true.

[jagg]

And I would like to know if anyone has blown up a late model differential. I'm guessing the 701HP guy could! They are said to be beefed up but I don't know the particulars or if it's even true.

give it to me H20 !!! I can break anything!

jagg

[L8Apex]

Based upon the top 15 results from the SCCA A-Stock Solo results, you can make the argument that the AP2 and the AP1 can be made to perform quite equally. BTW, the last year that SCCA had the S2000 in B-Stock, I think that it took the first 13 or 14 places. It looks like it's now having a similar performance in A-Stock.

T 1 2004 Honda S2000

T 2 2002 Honda S2000

T 3 2003 Honda S2000

T 4 2004 Honda S2000

T 5 2002 Honda S2000

T 6 2008 Honda S2000

T 7 1989 Chevrolet Corvette

T 8 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP

T 9 2000 Honda S2000

T10 2001 Honda S2000

T11 2008 Honda S2000 CR

T12 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP

T13 2001 honda S2000

T14 1989 Chevrolet Corvette

T15 2004 Honda S2000

[gomarlins3]

Originally Posted by s2k1990

The ap1 had a tendency to over-steer. They fixed that in the ap2

The car doesn't have a tendency to over steer, the driver MAKES it over steer. They didn;t 'fix' it in the AP2, they made it harder to MAKE the car over steer.

[H20]

Originally Posted by gomarlins3

The car doesn't have a tendency to over steer, the driver MAKES it over steer. They didn;t 'fix' it in the AP2, they made it harder to MAKE the car over steer.

They slowed down the steering and put more rubber on the ground. A bit safer for the uninitiated I suppose.
I'll take the quicker steering ratio and more rubber.

[H20]

Originally Posted by jagg

give it to me H20 !!! I can break anything!

jagg

I don't want my car in Yonderland! Just about to go with the bride for a nice ride actually. Sunny and warm man!
Question remains though doesnt it..

[Neil]

I suggest we all go and drive before the seasons over ?

[s2k1990]

Originally Posted by Neil

I suggest we all go and drive before the seasons over ?

I better find a car before the seasons over.

[Neil]

Listen s2k, just go and buy a red s2000 like mine the fastest engine and the fastest color. Don't let anyone .......tell you any different !!!!!cause they're full of s%$t...

This is only my opinion guys.................( but we all know its true !!!!!!!!!!!)

[s2k1990]

Originally Posted by Neil

Listen s2k, just go and buy a red s2000 like mine the fastest engine and the fastest color. Don't let anyone .......tell you any different !!!!!cause they're full of s%$t...

This is only my opinion guys.................( but we all know its true !!!!!!!!!!!)

I WANT WHITE! The true fastest color, because they are hard to find.

[InerTech]

Originally Posted by turbosix

i got my ap1 for a good price last may and now i see tons of similar mileage ap2s out there for LESS

screeewed

if i had $19k to spend right now i could probably snag a low mile CR

I gotta say no way to that one man 19K for a low mile CR

[Honda007]

Neither is better, AP2 is just a revision, and the CR is an AP1 disguised as an AP2 that looks bad ass.

[D1sclaimer]

The oversteer in the AP1 setup versus AP2 setup is simple. Its mainly because the sway bars cause the rear inner tire to lift on turns and the spring rates.

00-01 AP1's rear sway bar is bigger than the front sway bar. The 00-01 front sway bar is the biggest front sway bar on OEM s2ks. Even moreso than the CR. Since the rear bar is bigger than the front, the rear inner tire will lift on aggressive turns causing only 1 tire to be on the ground and it'll slide.

02-03 AP1s rear sway bar is reduced significantly and the front is reduced as well, but now the front is bigger than the rear bar. The spring rates are slightly less in the rear. This is why 02-03 are improved.

04-05's have a slightly smaller front bar as an 02-03, but with an even smaller rear bar now. The rear spring rates are also reduced alot.

06+ has the smallest rear sway bar.

Now, if you have an 00-01, a great upgrade would be an 06+ rear sway bar. Direct replacement, just make sure you get the bushings as well as the bar. For OEM bars, the stock front and 06+ rear bar is the best combination. It'll really help the rear end stay settled.

I bought a bigger Whiteline front bar and an 05 rear bar for my 00 AP1. Got the rear bar for 50 bucks shipped!!!! I only have the front Whiteline bar on now. As of now, I hardly have any oversteer problems with the rear hardly ever kicking out. I'll put the rear bar in as soon as it gets nice out.

[MutantCheese]

Thanks for clairfying that D1sclaimer

[CRF]

What year did the AP2s become available?

[S2K Reborn]

2004

[philiam]

You can kill yourself in either one if you don't learn to drive it.

[MutantCheese]

Originally Posted by philiam

You can kill yourself in either one if you don't learn to drive it.

[mdjice]

stupid noob question...how do I know if I have a Ap1 or 2?...

[MutantCheese]

Judging from your avatar, looks like AP1 (my00-my03)

[D1sclaimer]

Originally Posted by mdjice

stupid noob question...how do I know if I have a Ap1 or 2?...

Easiest way to tell for a noob is what year you have. 00-03 are AP1. 04+ are AP2.

Also, AP1 spark plug cover is black, AP2 is gold. 02+ AP1's have larger "H" symbols on the bumpers than 00-01 AP1s. yada yada yada.

[lonestarbuzz]

you have an ap0 cuase your car doesn't work. j/k... kinda.

[CherryPopper]

ap1<>ap2

[Jim21680]

Hmm....didn't know the 2.0 liter engine was still in production after 2003. It kinda makes me wonder what Honda thinks of us Americans...

Hopefully it's not: "Damn these people! Alright, let's just soften up & stroke a few S2000's and ship em' over....maybe those fat lazy slobs who can't drive will finally stop complaining about no torque and snap-oversteer. Why don't they just buy a damn Mustang?".

Uh ohhhh....

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by lonestarbuzz

you have an ap0 cuase your car doesn't work. j/k... kinda.

Low blow !!! lol but true!! well it should be fixed on Friday...after $1200....

[desmo4]

Hayward Honda has the Same Suzuka 06 now reduced from $22k to 20k.

Jonathan

[lonestarbuzz]

Originally Posted by mdjice

Low blow !!! lol but true!! well it should be fixed on Friday...after $1200....

tee hee. i was just kidding.

[lonestarbuzz]

Originally Posted by desmo4

Hayward Honda has the Same Suzuka 06 now reduced from $22k to 20k.

Jonathan

this tempts me. road trip to california, or save the vacation time to visit inlaws over christmas?

[wgrandmont]

I have an Ap2 my son has an Ap1 same color (red). The Ap1 has a higher top end. The Ap2 accelerates better. Handling is a personal preference more or less. In autocross I have no trouble beating the Ap1's with my Ap2, might be the car, might be the drivers? The Ap2 is easier to drive in heavy traffic.

[desmo4]

I bought my AP1 in Nov. 99 and has evolved over time. The Mugen suspension and Swift sway bars make it far stiffer than an AP1 but with a lot more control. AP2 door panels afford a little more interior room and a separate mount for the tweeter. I need new head light housings as mine are both leaking and will probably put AP2 versions on because I like the way they look. I have to admit the stroked engine, lower redline 8 more ftlbs of torque and softer rear suspension never impressed me but some the features are better in the newer car.

Jonathan

[yashooa]

Originally Posted by turbosix

oversteer is controllable.... *if* you know what you are doing. they softened it up in the ap2 because as you know... most of the general public does not know what they are doing.

understeer is easier to control if you arent expecting it, a lot of people freak out if the rear of the car comes loose and try to counter steer yet end up overcorrecting and then its all over.

I feel you on this. I grew up driving RWD muscle cars. I remember being about 12 years old sliding around an old dirt road s-bend with the tail hanging out, hammering the throttle as gravel spit from beneath the rear wheels.
It was a blast. I drove all over those old, boony roads at that age and no one said a damn word. Good times, good times...