Why is it ap1>ap2????

s2k1990 · 03-06-2009, 08:37 AM

Why are most people calling out the ap2? Whats wrong with it? Isnt it all the same with a few differences a couple exterior work and like over-steer fix and all? Saw this quite a few times on here and im trying to buy an ap2. Would be great to know why a lot of you think ap1 is better than ap2. In what way?

Neil · 03-06-2009, 08:40 AM

Nothing wrong with mine

kgf3076 · 03-06-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by s2k1990

Why are most people calling out the ap2? Whats wrong with it? Isnt it all the same with a few differences a couple exterior work and like over-steer fix and all? Saw this quite a few times on here and im trying to buy an ap2. Would be great to know why a lot of you think ap1 is better than ap2. In what way?

For the same reason some people think white cars are better than black cars...

jagg · 03-06-2009, 08:42 AM

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Nothing wrong with mine

Well, nuthin' except the nut loose behind the steering wheel, Neil.

jagg

turbosix · 03-06-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kgf3076

For the same reason some people think white cars are better than black cars...

i have a white ap1... the epitome of s2k goodness

s2k1990 · 03-06-2009, 08:48 AM

i see. well then.. AP2>AP1 WSUPPPPPP NOW?? haha

turbosix · 03-06-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by s2k1990

i see. well then.. AP2>AP1 WSUPPPPPP NOW?? haha

if you want a softer car, sure.

s2k1990 · 03-06-2009, 08:55 AM

Hey, what do you mean "Softer"

Neil · 03-06-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jagg

Well, nuthin' except the nut loose behind the steering wheel, Neil.

jagg

Big 10-4 there rubber ducky !!

Swingle1 · 03-06-2009, 09:02 AM

Suspension is a little softer. I've owned both and would say the suspension is a bigger difference than the motor, which also changed. AP2 has a noticeable improvement in torque, but nothing to write home about.

The AP1 has a firmer suspension, and is a bit more edgy. Most of the daily driving time... I like the AP2 better. But when I'm really winding it up on the corners, I miss my AP1.

They're both wonderful cars... and never let anyone tell you different.

RL1924 · 03-06-2009, 09:04 AM

AP1>AP2 cause thats all they could afford... Or AP2 was not out yet

turbosix · 03-06-2009, 09:05 AM

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AP1>AP2 cause thats all they could afford... Or AP2 was not out yet

i got my ap1 for a good price last may and now i see tons of similar mileage ap2s out there for LESS

screeewed

if i had $19k to spend right now i could probably snag a low mile CR

RL1924 · 03-06-2009, 09:20 AM

True i see prices now... I have had mine little under a year I could get same one now for a few thousand less good time to buy an S that is if you have some money

gomarlins3 · 03-06-2009, 09:35 AM

Look here:
http://s2000.com/forums/all-other-ho...p1-vs-ap2.html

gomarlins3 · 03-06-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by s2k1990

... like over-steer fix..

The best way to fix over steer is change the driver.

Old Guy · 03-06-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by turbosix

i got my ap1 for a good price last may and now i see tons of similar mileage ap2s out there for LESS

screeewed

I'm with you there. I bought my '02 last June and thought I got a great deal at $17K with only 27K miles. Prices have dropped a ton. I'm still a happy Old Man.

S2K Reborn · 03-06-2009, 09:39 AM

<ap2. Love it!

SORS2000 · 03-06-2009, 11:33 AM

ap1 son.... to me its just more raw thats what I look for in a sports car, but to each his own

RL1924 · 03-06-2009, 11:45 AM

Put it this way.. I have yet to find anyone who owns an AP1 to say they want an AP2... (even though they swap to our bumpers and headlights), and I have yet to find anyone who owns an AP2 and wants to go to a AP1. Whatever you end up getting is the better one basically lol.

S2K Reborn · 03-06-2009, 11:51 AM

theres always gunna be an arguement over which is better. but in the end, you're still driving an awsome sports

mlc · 03-06-2009, 11:56 AM

How about this AP1=AP2. These are both great cars. Whichever one you get you will definitely by happy with it. Yes there were changes made to the car but trust me NO ONE here is saying they wish they didn't get there S. Get what you can afford and you will be very happy you did it.

Kevin

S2K Reborn · 03-06-2009, 12:00 PM

thats pretty much s2000 law

JDMzimbo · 03-06-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RL1924

Put it this way.. I have yet to find anyone who owns an AP1 to say they want an AP2... (even though they swap to our bumpers and headlights), and I have yet to find anyone who owns an AP2 and wants to go to a AP1. Whatever you end up getting is the better one basically lol.

I comletly agree with you man, which ever one you end up getting will become the "greater" one.

D1sclaimer · 03-06-2009, 12:45 PM

AP1>EF8>EG9>AP2

Just to set things straight.

Neil · 03-06-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mlc

How about this AP1=AP2. These are both great cars. Whichever one you get you will definitely by happy with it. Yes there were changes made to the car but trust me NO ONE here is saying they wish they didn't get there S. Get what you can afford and you will be very happy you did it.

Kevin

One thing Kev, remember NF1 Red is the fastest color ( just in case you forgot )

Regards

JDMzimbo · 03-06-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil

One thing Kev, remember NF1 Red is the fastest color ( just in case you forgot )

Regards

True that!! lol

H20 · 03-06-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil

One thing Kev, remember NF1 Red is the fastest color ( just in case you forgot )

Regards

I recommend against red. I'm so tired of women flashing their boobs as I drive by..
Doh! That was Jag!

OP! get the least beat, unmolested car you can find for the lowest price and you will be very happy. I don't care if it's an AP7!

Does anyone have concrete evidence of faster lap times in either car? Hard to come up with. Both cars would need to be unmodified. Trade drivers..I doubt it has been done.
I did read the article about the journalist that went round the track with the old dude who designed the cars in an AP2. The designer seemed happy with the changes. Forget his name dangit.

turbosix · 03-06-2009, 04:07 PM

motor trend article i think it was

s2k1990 · 03-06-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by H20

I recommend against red. I'm so tired of women flashing their boobs as I drive by..
Doh! That was Jag!

OP! get the least beat, unmolested car you can find for the lowest price and you will be very happy. I don't care if it's an AP7!

Does anyone have concrete evidence of faster lap times in either car? Hard to come up with. Both cars would need to be unmodified. Trade drivers..I doubt it has been done.
I did read the article about the journalist that went round the track with the old dude who designed the cars in an AP2. The designer seemed happy with the changes. Forget his name dangit.

Thanks, great advice. Is it considered "fake" if i change the headlights and tailights and bumper of an ap1 to make it look like an ap2? lol.

s2k1990 · 03-06-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosix

motor trend article i think it was

quit fallowing me

turbosix · 03-06-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by s2k1990

Thanks, great advice. Is it considered "fake" if i change the headlights and tailights and bumper of an ap1 to make it look like an ap2? lol.

nah... not really.

a lot of people mix and match on these cars.. i like the AP2 headlights and thats *IT*

i much prefer the ap1 bumpers and the taillights... but thats just me.

turbosix · 03-06-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by s2k1990

quit fallowing me

been in this thread since post 5.

kthxbai

H20 · 03-06-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosix

motor trend article i think it was

Outcome?

J'sS2K · 03-06-2009, 04:19 PM

OH COME ON! Who cares...just drive the damn thing!

s2k1990 · 03-06-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosix

nah... not really.

a lot of people mix and match on these cars.. i like the AP2 headlights and thats *IT*

i much prefer the ap1 bumpers and the taillights... but thats just me.

Thanks, yeah i like the tailights and bumper as well. I wrote that somewhere in some thread i think lol..and i was just kidding about the quit fallowing me..just funny how we both posted at the same exact time. And this is MY THREAD! lol..

turbosix · 03-06-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by H20

Outcome?

the "s2000 father" said he liked the outcome, of course he would say that as he is advertising the car.

s2k2000 · 03-06-2009, 05:48 PM

either one you will be more then happy with!! i have an ap1 buy i am going to get an ap2 as well. i love them both an would not trade them for anything in the world.

H20 · 03-06-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosix

the "s2000 father" said he liked the outcome, of course he would say that as he is advertising the car.

OK..crossed wires. I thought you were saying motor trend did a comparo. I was asking the outcome of the comparo..
I went to motor trend and dug around. No comparo but it was fun reading the first look articles and such. Didnt see the other article though.

H20 · 03-06-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by J'sS2K

OH COME ON! Who cares...just drive the damn thing!

Curiosity on my part is all. I go through the twisties and straights in my AP2 with AP1's and you cant tell one from the other.
After all the reading I been doing on all the forums since 07 I don't think a real proper lap time comparison has ever been done. Guessing it never will be done either. Too many variables anyway.

J'sS2K · 03-06-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by H20

Curiosity on my part is all. I go through the twisties and straights in my AP2 with AP1's and you cant tell one from the other.
After all the reading I been doing on all the forums since 07 I don't think a real proper lap time comparison has ever been done. Guessing it never will be done either. Too many variables anyway.

I do feel the difference when I drive an AP1. If you went into the corner at the same speed as you would with an AP2, the rear would slide. It feels like the rear breaks loose more on an AP1. Maybe, it's the suspension set up. I don't feel any difference power wise though.

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Neil Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,514	Nothing wrong with mine

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s2k1990 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: LA, California Posts: 50	i see. well then.. AP2>AP1 WSUPPPPPP NOW?? haha

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s2k1990 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: LA, California Posts: 50	Hey, what do you mean "Softer"

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Swingle1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 762	Suspension is a little softer. I've owned both and would say the suspension is a bigger difference than the motor, which also changed. AP2 has a noticeable improvement in torque, but nothing to write home about. The AP1 has a firmer suspension, and is a bit more edgy. Most of the daily driving time... I like the AP2 better. But when I'm really winding it up on the corners, I miss my AP1. They're both wonderful cars... and never let anyone tell you different.

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RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	AP1>AP2 cause thats all they could afford... Or AP2 was not out yet

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RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	True i see prices now... I have had mine little under a year I could get same one now for a few thousand less good time to buy an S that is if you have some money

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SORS2000 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 22	ap1 son.... to me its just more raw thats what I look for in a sports car, but to each his own

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RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	Put it this way.. I have yet to find anyone who owns an AP1 to say they want an AP2... (even though they swap to our bumpers and headlights), and I have yet to find anyone who owns an AP2 and wants to go to a AP1. Whatever you end up getting is the better one basically lol.

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mlc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 288	How about this AP1=AP2. These are both great cars. Whichever one you get you will definitely by happy with it. Yes there were changes made to the car but trust me NO ONE here is saying they wish they didn't get there S. Get what you can afford and you will be very happy you did it. Kevin

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s2k2000 s2sexy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: annapolis maryland Posts: 139	either one you will be more then happy with!! i have an ap1 buy i am going to get an ap2 as well. i love them both an would not trade them for anything in the world. __________________ "If I've worked for it ... paid for it ... its mine ... if you try to take what is mine ... I will take your life ... It's a fair trade ... and you have been given fair warning" -- Dr. Werner Betz... i borrowed this s2kx2 great words

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