No C6 for me

Halo · 07-25-2005, 01:19 PM

When I was tossing the idea around of going SC I considered the option of just trading my stock S (at the time about 1.5 years old) for a C5 Z06. But, I decided to go the mod route.

Now that the C6 Z06 is starting to loom close especially with a convertible option, I have been planning on de-modding my car, selling it and the parts and getting a Z06. But, this weekend I did a couple of longer drives since the weather was so awesome. I couldn't wipe the smile off my face the whole time, still can't get bored of the driving experience this car gives and the rock-solid reliability (even SC'd). Going through the gears around some pretty windy roads I thought hard about how much more fun I'd have if I had 500hp and tons of torque. I came to the realization that this car goes plenty fast enough to get me killed as it is, and other than bragging rights or stoplight races (neither of which I give a shit about), the extra hp isn't going to pay off in more fun. The S is a keeper.

Montero1 · 07-25-2005, 03:49 PM

Yeah, I toyed with the thought of a Vette, but the '06 is a bit out of what I want to spend on a car at this point, and I don't do used. The thought of filling that PIG up with gas maks my stomach hurt also. Last week I filled up my truck, and it was $58.00 ( and gets 14-15 MPG). At least with the S, It's less than $25 and am getting around 22-23 MPG. I'm sure the S will have less problems in the long run, and even up to 2005, the Vette interiors look like the typical American junk, look like Fisher Price toddler toys, and made out of the cheapest crap available.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/829028

Halo · 07-25-2005, 05:42 PM

I don't use the S as a daily driver so the mileage isn't really a concern and I've sat in a regular C6 and I found the workmanship quite good. Thankfully, I could probably swing the cost of a new Z06 including the dealer markup I was quoted. Although it is the only car with that league of performance I could afford (nothing from Italy that's for sure

). But, what it really came down to for me was, would it be more fun to have 500hp? Beyond that, the 'prestige' factor or the marketing hype of increased penis size if you drive a Vette, never bought into that.

Java Junky · 07-25-2005, 06:24 PM

Amen, amen I say to you brothers. The "smile on your face" is what it's all about. N' that smile usually comes from some well executed turns, n' turns is whut li'l ol' Stewie's all about. I may have mentioned my dismal experiences with a pretty potent 'Vette powered Healey vs the Lotus Sevens. A real learnin' experience, but learn I did.
An efficient, capable car is the only way to go in my estimation. It's so much more than jus' bein' able to mash a pedal. Li'l Stuart's like a patient teacher that forgives your screw-ups n' if you progress gradually, steps back from the spotlight n' allows you to really shine as a driver.
My smile is applied daily, n' to quote an old song: "once a day, every day all day long".
Maybe someday I'll have my fill of the S2, but it's gonna be one HELLUVA wild ride that replaces it.
Be well guys.

DavidHutchesonJr · 07-27-2005, 10:25 AM

Just curious, this is an S2000 website, why are you even discussing the merits of a Z06? We are not even talking apples and oranges. I own a 2003 S2K. From the factory in Japan, it has a 4 cylinder 2.0 liter engine that makes 240 HP with a 9000 RPM readline. In other words it makes 120 HP per liter. No other non-turbo, non-supercharged piston driven car makes this much HP per liter. The new C6 Z06 is a monster American sports car. What is the price - SAY $65+ - twice the cost of a new S2K (2.2 liter version). I like the S2K because it is nimble, fun to drive, quick, responsive, light, fits like a glove, and engineered by Japanese F1 engineers. Some interesting thoughts though. The 2006 Z06 is rated at 505 HP with a redline in the neighborhood of 6800 RPM, very good for a stroked Chevy small block engine. Now let's talk about HP per liter. This is kinda fun, since the cars are not even in the same class, price range, production country of origin, etc.

2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 7.0 liters, 505 HP, or 72.14 HP per liter

2003 Honda S2000, 2.0 liters, 240 HP, or 120 HP per liter

The Z06 is a brute force monster. The S2000 is a four wheel sport bike.

Comparing the two is like comparing NASCAR racing to F1 racing.

Halo · 07-27-2005, 10:53 AM

I'm comparing them because both are 2 seat, front engine, rear drive, and with the C6 Z06 at least, convertibles. (although I recently found out you could order the LS6 engine in the C5 vert without the "Z06" decals).

Both are great track cars, both are relatively light weight. Admittedly, I haven't driven a C6 Z06 but the C5 Z06 and the regular C6 are both great handling cars. The approach to power delivery is obviously different from Honda. I wasn't looking at the Z06 as a substitute for the S, but rather as a different formula toward the same goal: Fun, top-down motoring.

To put it another way, when you're sitting behind the wheel, going through the gears on some turns, the marketing hype (F1 engineers indeed

), hp/L, country of origin, induction system, displacement and even price all boil down to how the car makes you feel. Is driving it fun?

RCduck7 · 07-27-2005, 12:25 PM

I like to learn more about cars and how they compare to the S2000...

Last week i was really tempted about to get rid of my s2000 and get an elise or exige.
But then again i questioned myself will i be more satisfied with it then my s2000?
Maybe at first, but it goes from 0-60 just about a second better then an s2000 and it also corners a little bit better.
Will this still be enough for me when i have an elise in a year time?
Ok, maybe for the cornering, it doesn't come much better then this but for performance i have read on lotus boards that the majority is complaining about wanting a more powerfull or supercharged engine for it as you have to keep it on cam like an s2000.
I'm gonna wait and see and hope they come up with something powerfull and fun to drive that isn't much more expensive then the price of a standard elise.

MattG · 07-27-2005, 05:58 PM

What about a Vauxhall VX220 Turbo? It is essentially an Elise with a turbo engine with 250Nm @ 1950 rpm, and 200PS @ 5400RPM. Being a turbo the usual turbo bolt-on mods can get a little more power out of it.

If you are in Belgium you are not all that far away from the UK.

RCduck7 · 07-27-2005, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattG

What about a Vauxhall VX220 Turbo? It is essentially an Elise with a turbo engine with 250Nm @ 1950 rpm, and 200PS @ 5400RPM. Being a turbo the usual turbo bolt-on mods can get a little more power out of it.

If you are in Belgium you are not all that far away from the UK.

Well, it is a vauxhall and i and a lot more say it doesn't look as good as an elise.
But most of all, allthough it uses the same chassis as the elise it's not as good and balanced when it comes to handling compared to an elise, and that is just a tad more important for me then performance in a straight line.

I would completely fall in love with the elise or exige if it had the s2000 engine.
And to buy one and fit an other engine would be a to costly affair for me.

However, there are a limited of 50 exiges sold with a supercharged engine (the exige 240R) but i don't think there were lefthand drive.
Even if there are it won't be easy to find one 2nd hand that's in good condition and did spend minimal race track days.

I also got an intrest in a noble since i have seen a few for reasenable prices on the net, but again it would be hard to find a left hand drive and not TOO far away from where i live.

But i don't really look around yet to buy one, i will drive my s2000 at least an other year, otherwise my family will think i'm crazy.

MattG · 07-27-2005, 10:44 PM

How about this?
http://www.turbotechnics.com/cars/elise%20index.htm

RCduck7 · 07-28-2005, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattG

How about this?
http://www.turbotechnics.com/cars/elise%20index.htm

Thanks for the info, i dunno how much you know about it but if i buy one i don't want to loose my warranty and if the car was out of warranty i can't stand the thought of messing up my engine and see all the money i spend on it down the toilet.
You may call me picky at this point but if you want a NA engine modified with a supercharger the insides of the engine have to be made stronger as every engine is made as strong as it can do from the factory.
it gonna cost a lot of money to be done good and even then, there are no garantees it won't break at some point as it really is a precisionwork.

Some trackday enthusiasts with deep pockets propably won't care about it as they will have fun while it lasts, but for others it's best and savest to buy a car that was allready made to be supercharged.

Halo · 07-28-2005, 12:44 PM

The S2000 internals (stock forged pistons and rods, reinforced sleeves) are fine with the 5-6psi of boost a bolt-on SC makes, but warranty is definitely toast if you go FI. I don't know about that Celica GT-S motor and how it handles boost.

RCduck7 · 07-28-2005, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo

The S2000 internals (stock forged pistons and rods, reinforced sleeves) are fine with the 5-6psi of boost a bolt-on SC makes, but warranty is definitely toast if you go FI. I don't know about that Celica GT-S motor and how it handles boost.

I don't know either and i'm not that a technical knowhow as some but i'm certain that lotus for their 240R not just bolt on a supercharger on it and left the engine standard without making it stronger.
I'm not saying those that install a supercharger and to it good as it suppose to are incapable but it's not something you say like "hey, let's do this" and take it lightly.

Java Junky · 07-28-2005, 01:53 PM

Okay, enough of the PR hype about the S2000 bein' a "four wheel motorcycle". It's not. The S2000 is a sports car, plain n' simple. It's jus' that alotta the other two seaters are less sports car than over-weight, over-powered n' over-priced muscle cars. Some with tops that go down. But, I will give you that the difference is similar to the abilities involved in drag racing as opposed to formula one.
Curves (I hope I don't gotta get too specific here) in many forms were created to bring excitement to the heart. We only came up with straight lines to get from one curve to another.

RCduck7 · 07-28-2005, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java Junky

Okay, enough of the PR hype about the S2000 bein' a "four wheel motorcycle". It's not. The S2000 is a sports car, plain n' simple. It's jus' that alotta the other two seaters are less sports car than over-weight, over-powered n' over-priced muscle cars. Some with tops that go down. But, I will give you that the difference is similar to the abilities involved in drag racing as opposed to formula one.
Curves (I hope I don't gotta get too specific here) in many forms were created to bring excitement to the heart. We only came up with straight lines to get from one curve to another.

The S2000 was called by some "motorcycle" as it does 9000 rpm and it doesn't handle bad also.
But about the curves... it's about how fast you go in it and come out of it.

I'm a bit tired of keeping it above 6000 rpm when i'm in the mood for it.
Now i know i really want to have that TVR Sagaris since it featured on Top Gear and read reviews about it but it ain't gonna happen until i win the lottery.
So i guess that's the reason why i write here.

Cheers.

MattG · 07-28-2005, 04:55 PM

From what I've read, TVR in general are not of very good build quality.

Java Junky · 07-28-2005, 05:07 PM

Aaah, RC, I'm afraid I was a jus' a wee bit too subtle in my reference to curves. As un"stew"ish as it may be, there are curves other than those that we enjoy with our cars that also quicken the heart. One must not miss ANY opportunity to put a smile on ones face. But, I say again: we only came up with straights to get from one curve (of whatever type) to another.
Curves are life. Straights are . . . well . . necessary.

RCduck7 · 07-28-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattG

From what I've read, TVR in general are not of very good build quality.

If i was rich i won't bother for what it gives in return, and the sagaris is so much better then previous efforts.
Watch this on www.petrolheads.com

http://www.pistonheads.tv/clip317

PS: i know what you mean JAVA.

DavidHutchesonJr · 07-29-2005, 08:11 AM

Guys, my point is comparing the two just does not add up. Comparing the two is not even close. I love my S2000, I bought it for what it is. If you are thinking about buying a Z06 and have the resources, more power to you. Why I say it doesn't add up is this.

1. The S2000 has 4 less cylinders than the Z06
2. The S2000 has 5 less liters of displacement than the Z06
3. The S2000 is designed and built in Japan vs. a car built in Bowling Green, Kentucky
4. Yes they are both two seat rear wheel drive naturally aspirated sports cars with six speed manual transmissions, that is about where the comparison ends.
5. HP - S2000 240 vs. Z06 505
6. New car price - OH MY - $33K vs. $70K (1/2 the price) - you should get more performance for the money

I am in no way knocking the Z06 which for 2006 is probably one of the best performing sports cars in the world. What I am saying is this site is about the S2000 and its technilogical marvels. I personally love mine. It is afordable, fun to drive, quick, responsive, and fits like a glove. I have personally worked on Corvettes (C3, C4, and C5 series). They are put together like any other American car. Nice at first, then rattles, pops, squeeks, etc. If this is what you want, go for it. If you are looking for a fun track car, look at a Panoz GT.

Life begins at 6000 RPM!

RCduck7 · 07-29-2005, 08:57 AM

Have been a bit bussy on the net lately.

S2000 (incar camera) chasing a corvette and bends.

Don't know if the link will work if you're not registered on the site but it's worth to login as there are a lot more vids there.

http://www.fastdrive.org/download.php?view.44

Seems a bit funny but propably not intended to be.

07-25-2005, 01:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 598	No C6 for me When I was tossing the idea around of going SC I considered the option of just trading my stock S (at the time about 1.5 years old) for a C5 Z06. But, I decided to go the mod route. Now that the C6 Z06 is starting to loom close especially with a convertible option, I have been planning on de-modding my car, selling it and the parts and getting a Z06. But, this weekend I did a couple of longer drives since the weather was so awesome. I couldn't wipe the smile off my face the whole time, still can't get bored of the driving experience this car gives and the rock-solid reliability (even SC'd). Going through the gears around some pretty windy roads I thought hard about how much more fun I'd have if I had 500hp and tons of torque. I came to the realization that this car goes plenty fast enough to get me killed as it is, and other than bragging rights or stoplight races (neither of which I give a shit about), the extra hp isn't going to pay off in more fun. The S is a keeper.

07-25-2005, 03:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Montero1 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15	C6 Yeah, I toyed with the thought of a Vette, but the '06 is a bit out of what I want to spend on a car at this point, and I don't do used. The thought of filling that PIG up with gas maks my stomach hurt also. Last week I filled up my truck, and it was $58.00 ( and gets 14-15 MPG). At least with the S, It's less than $25 and am getting around 22-23 MPG. I'm sure the S will have less problems in the long run, and even up to 2005, the Vette interiors look like the typical American junk, look like Fisher Price toddler toys, and made out of the cheapest crap available. http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/829028

07-27-2005, 10:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
DavidHutchesonJr Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 47	Why talk about a vette? Just curious, this is an S2000 website, why are you even discussing the merits of a Z06? We are not even talking apples and oranges. I own a 2003 S2K. From the factory in Japan, it has a 4 cylinder 2.0 liter engine that makes 240 HP with a 9000 RPM readline. In other words it makes 120 HP per liter. No other non-turbo, non-supercharged piston driven car makes this much HP per liter. The new C6 Z06 is a monster American sports car. What is the price - SAY $65+ - twice the cost of a new S2K (2.2 liter version). I like the S2K because it is nimble, fun to drive, quick, responsive, light, fits like a glove, and engineered by Japanese F1 engineers. Some interesting thoughts though. The 2006 Z06 is rated at 505 HP with a redline in the neighborhood of 6800 RPM, very good for a stroked Chevy small block engine. Now let's talk about HP per liter. This is kinda fun, since the cars are not even in the same class, price range, production country of origin, etc. 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 7.0 liters, 505 HP, or 72.14 HP per liter 2003 Honda S2000, 2.0 liters, 240 HP, or 120 HP per liter The Z06 is a brute force monster. The S2000 is a four wheel sport bike. Comparing the two is like comparing NASCAR racing to F1 racing.

07-29-2005, 08:11 AM	#19 (permalink)
DavidHutchesonJr Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 47	Z06 v. S2000 Doesn't Add Up Guys, my point is comparing the two just does not add up. Comparing the two is not even close. I love my S2000, I bought it for what it is. If you are thinking about buying a Z06 and have the resources, more power to you. Why I say it doesn't add up is this. 1. The S2000 has 4 less cylinders than the Z06 2. The S2000 has 5 less liters of displacement than the Z06 3. The S2000 is designed and built in Japan vs. a car built in Bowling Green, Kentucky 4. Yes they are both two seat rear wheel drive naturally aspirated sports cars with six speed manual transmissions, that is about where the comparison ends. 5. HP - S2000 240 vs. Z06 505 6. New car price - OH MY - $33K vs. $70K (1/2 the price) - you should get more performance for the money I am in no way knocking the Z06 which for 2006 is probably one of the best performing sports cars in the world. What I am saying is this site is about the S2000 and its technilogical marvels. I personally love mine. It is afordable, fun to drive, quick, responsive, and fits like a glove. I have personally worked on Corvettes (C3, C4, and C5 series). They are put together like any other American car. Nice at first, then rattles, pops, squeeks, etc. If this is what you want, go for it. If you are looking for a fun track car, look at a Panoz GT. Life begins at 6000 RPM!

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07-25-2005, 05:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 598	I don't use the S as a daily driver so the mileage isn't really a concern and I've sat in a regular C6 and I found the workmanship quite good. Thankfully, I could probably swing the cost of a new Z06 including the dealer markup I was quoted. Although it is the only car with that league of performance I could afford (nothing from Italy that's for sure ). But, what it really came down to for me was, would it be more fun to have 500hp? Beyond that, the 'prestige' factor or the marketing hype of increased penis size if you drive a Vette, never bought into that.

07-25-2005, 06:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,433	Amen, amen I say to you brothers. The "smile on your face" is what it's all about. N' that smile usually comes from some well executed turns, n' turns is whut li'l ol' Stewie's all about. I may have mentioned my dismal experiences with a pretty potent 'Vette powered Healey vs the Lotus Sevens. A real learnin' experience, but learn I did. An efficient, capable car is the only way to go in my estimation. It's so much more than jus' bein' able to mash a pedal. Li'l Stuart's like a patient teacher that forgives your screw-ups n' if you progress gradually, steps back from the spotlight n' allows you to really shine as a driver. My smile is applied daily, n' to quote an old song: "once a day, every day all day long". Maybe someday I'll have my fill of the S2, but it's gonna be one HELLUVA wild ride that replaces it. Be well guys.

07-27-2005, 10:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 598	I'm comparing them because both are 2 seat, front engine, rear drive, and with the C6 Z06 at least, convertibles. (although I recently found out you could order the LS6 engine in the C5 vert without the "Z06" decals). Both are great track cars, both are relatively light weight. Admittedly, I haven't driven a C6 Z06 but the C5 Z06 and the regular C6 are both great handling cars. The approach to power delivery is obviously different from Honda. I wasn't looking at the Z06 as a substitute for the S, but rather as a different formula toward the same goal: Fun, top-down motoring. To put it another way, when you're sitting behind the wheel, going through the gears on some turns, the marketing hype (F1 engineers indeed ), hp/L, country of origin, induction system, displacement and even price all boil down to how the car makes you feel. Is driving it fun?

07-27-2005, 12:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
RCduck7 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 123	I like to learn more about cars and how they compare to the S2000... Last week i was really tempted about to get rid of my s2000 and get an elise or exige. But then again i questioned myself will i be more satisfied with it then my s2000? Maybe at first, but it goes from 0-60 just about a second better then an s2000 and it also corners a little bit better. Will this still be enough for me when i have an elise in a year time? Ok, maybe for the cornering, it doesn't come much better then this but for performance i have read on lotus boards that the majority is complaining about wanting a more powerfull or supercharged engine for it as you have to keep it on cam like an s2000. I'm gonna wait and see and hope they come up with something powerfull and fun to drive that isn't much more expensive then the price of a standard elise.

07-27-2005, 05:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
MattG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 360	What about a Vauxhall VX220 Turbo? It is essentially an Elise with a turbo engine with 250Nm @ 1950 rpm, and 200PS @ 5400RPM. Being a turbo the usual turbo bolt-on mods can get a little more power out of it. If you are in Belgium you are not all that far away from the UK.

07-27-2005, 10:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
MattG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 360	How about this? http://www.turbotechnics.com/cars/elise%20index.htm

07-28-2005, 12:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 598	The S2000 internals (stock forged pistons and rods, reinforced sleeves) are fine with the 5-6psi of boost a bolt-on SC makes, but warranty is definitely toast if you go FI. I don't know about that Celica GT-S motor and how it handles boost.

07-28-2005, 01:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,433	Okay, enough of the PR hype about the S2000 bein' a "four wheel motorcycle". It's not. The S2000 is a sports car, plain n' simple. It's jus' that alotta the other two seaters are less sports car than over-weight, over-powered n' over-priced muscle cars. Some with tops that go down. But, I will give you that the difference is similar to the abilities involved in drag racing as opposed to formula one. Curves (I hope I don't gotta get too specific here) in many forms were created to bring excitement to the heart. We only came up with straight lines to get from one curve to another.

07-28-2005, 04:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
MattG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 360	From what I've read, TVR in general are not of very good build quality.

07-28-2005, 05:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,433	Aaah, RC, I'm afraid I was a jus' a wee bit too subtle in my reference to curves. As un"stew"ish as it may be, there are curves other than those that we enjoy with our cars that also quicken the heart. One must not miss ANY opportunity to put a smile on ones face. But, I say again: we only came up with straights to get from one curve (of whatever type) to another. Curves are life. Straights are . . . well . . necessary.

07-29-2005, 08:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
RCduck7 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 123	Have been a bit bussy on the net lately. S2000 (incar camera) chasing a corvette and bends. Don't know if the link will work if you're not registered on the site but it's worth to login as there are a lot more vids there. http://www.fastdrive.org/download.php?view.44 Seems a bit funny but propably not intended to be.