weird Oil consumption

Croc · 07-24-2010, 09:32 AM

got 2007 EDM with F20C motor.

i drive it 1-2 times a week and check oil oil level before every driving at morning before startup.

i got it with oil level well avove H letter on dip stick - which is a lot above max level.
oil level disappeared quite quickly at first few hundreds of KMs which mostly was high way driving.

it remained steady during ~500 km of hard montain and x-cross driving and was stabilized at the middle of H letter (which is still above MAX level).

then after 100km of high way and traffic driving it suddenly got lowered to the MAX nothch of the dip stick.

what's going on?
why is it steady at hard driving and disappears at easy/traffic with Air/Con driving?

car still has 1 month warranty - if there is a problem i want dealer fix it before it expires!!!

Jim21680 · 07-24-2010, 10:37 AM

You check the oil every time before you drive it??? The car is built by Honda, ya know....I think you can relax a little.

No worries. I've heard some cars burn oil, but as long as you stick to regular changes you'll be fine.

Glenn1 · 07-24-2010, 10:41 AM

Most obvious first: look under the front of the car, do you have an oil leak? Seems like the last oil change person was not too savvy. Do you know if the car has synthetic or dino oil? If synthetic, switching to dino may reduce oil consumption. Last if the engine is not broken in carefully in the first 1000 miles it could burn a little oil. My 08 f22c which I babied for the first 1500 miles does not require any oil between changes.

So you're still at the full mark right? Sounds like the engine was overfilled (which is bad in itself) and burned the excess oil. Keep an eye on the dipstick.

Croc · 07-24-2010, 11:17 AM

it has close to 50,000km.
no leaks - we lifted the car in the garauge and checked.
current oild is 5w40 synthetic - this is what dealers put here (our climate is hot).

yes - it was overfilled.
now it's exactly at FULL mark.

what's strange to mee - if it's consuming oil why it doesn't do it after x-cross day and hard mountains driving?
i only saw oil level reduced after relaxed high way and traffic driving....

desmo4 · 07-24-2010, 02:15 PM

I think the problem is using "Weird Oil"

Jonathan

Glenn1 · 07-24-2010, 02:19 PM

Stop the presses!! Jonathan made a joke!!!!

desmo4 · 07-24-2010, 02:23 PM

th th thats all folks

jonathan

jagg · 07-24-2010, 02:40 PM

Quote:

what's strange to mee - if it's consuming oil why it doesn't do it after x-cross day and hard mountains driving?
i only saw oil level reduced after relaxed high way and traffic driving....
__________________

because you aren't venting the crank case gases properly?

Croc · 07-24-2010, 07:59 PM

what do you mean?
how can i check this?

s2kx2 · 07-24-2010, 11:08 PM

Hot Climate ... 5w 40w? ... You might want to check out a viscosity chart

Croc · 07-25-2010, 02:17 AM

what are you suggesting?
i checked viscosity chart more than once but it's too vague and not unequivocal.
anything between 5-10 W 30-40.

H20 · 07-25-2010, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croc

got 2007 EDM with F20C motor.

i drive it 1-2 times a week and check oil oil level before every driving at morning before startup.

i got it with oil level well avove H letter on dip stick - which is a lot above max level.
oil level disappeared quite quickly at first few hundreds of KMs which mostly was high way driving.

it remained steady during ~500 km of hard montain and x-cross driving and was stabilized at the middle of H letter (which is still above MAX level).

then after 100km of high way and traffic driving it suddenly got lowered to the MAX nothch of the dip stick.

what's going on?
why is it steady at hard driving and disappears at easy/traffic with Air/Con driving?

car still has 1 month warranty - if there is a problem i want dealer fix it before it expires!!!

The oil should never be above the maximum level. Thats why there is a maximum level. It will get air bubbles in it and thats very bad.

Always wipe the dipstick before checking. The oil wicks up the stick a bit.

See this link.
http://forums.s2kca.com/showthread.p...light=dipstick

Croc · 07-25-2010, 03:46 AM

i always wipe the dipstick.
hot check is interesting also.

Dotti90 · 07-25-2010, 05:22 AM

croc just so you know what is related to the climate you live in is the (x)W i like to call W winter i think it actually means winter but it meant that a lower W oil say what your using 5 it is low for a hot climate and is not needed. basically it is how quickly it will get to optimum viscosity. sorry if its confusing its just what comes out of my head onto the keyboard =P if anyone wants to correct me or make it simpler by all means....PS id reccomend a 15W30 or 15W40 i find that to be good for 4cyl engines in reasonably hot climates

leahysailor · 07-25-2010, 06:59 AM

The early f20c was notorious for burning oil. My first S would use almost a 1 1/2 quarts of oil between changes. I used regular dyno oil not synthetic. I tried to use synthetic once (mobil 1) and my oil consumption doubled. I also live in a very hot climate. I would reccommend that you change to 10 w 30 motor oil and possibly a dyno oil. I'm driving my second S and I run nothing but dyno oil in it and I have no oil consumption at all. I'm not saying synthetic is not great oil because it is, I'm just saying that some of these cars use a lot more oil than others. I change my oil and filter every three thousand miles and have had no mechanical failures.
By the way how often do you hit vtec?

Croc · 07-25-2010, 07:30 AM

Vtec?.......hm.......
on the hard driving - quite a lot.
uphills are done at high revs.

"normal" driving is very few Vtecs and most of the time done at 4000-5000 rpms.
and untill now oild level got lower after "normal" driving.

philiam · 07-25-2010, 07:42 PM

There's too much worry about oil consumption. It just means it's doing it's job. It's not an indication of any engine problems unless you use more than 1 qt. every thousand miles. On the up side, when you add oil you're replenishing the additives that are important to engine life. Especially a high performing engine like the S. In a hot climate, a good synthetic gives you extra protection. Sort of a crankshaft condom. The molecular structure is more consistent than with regular oil, which may account for the difference in oil use.

swagerr · 07-26-2010, 05:30 AM

We need to know how much oil is consumed Fri miles driven. You can drive many miles and 3 months or 5,000 km, auction and may indicate a gallon of oil consumed.Add a gallon of oil. Run the engine for 10 seconds, wait 5 minutes to check the oil level.

Switchblade · 07-26-2010, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swagerr

We need to know how much oil is consumed Fri miles driven. You can drive many miles and 3 months or 5,000 km, auction and may indicate a gallon of oil consumed.Add a gallon of oil. Run the engine for 10 seconds, wait 5 minutes to check the oil level.

OK.......I think somebody is messing with us. Swagerr posted 4 things that are kinda weird. I'm not sure what's going on......

07-24-2010, 10:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Glenn1 EYECELLEM Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SF Bay Area, California Posts: 2,654	Most obvious first: look under the front of the car, do you have an oil leak? Seems like the last oil change person was not too savvy. Do you know if the car has synthetic or dino oil? If synthetic, switching to dino may reduce oil consumption. Last if the engine is not broken in carefully in the first 1000 miles it could burn a little oil. My 08 f22c which I babied for the first 1500 miles does not require any oil between changes. So you're still at the full mark right? Sounds like the engine was overfilled (which is bad in itself) and burned the excess oil. Keep an eye on the dipstick. __________________ I'll go anywhere, as long as I can drive there. Last edited by Glenn1; 07-24-2010 at 10:48 AM.

07-24-2010, 11:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
Croc Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 35	it has close to 50,000km. no leaks - we lifted the car in the garauge and checked. current oild is 5w40 synthetic - this is what dealers put here (our climate is hot). yes - it was overfilled. now it's exactly at FULL mark. what's strange to mee - if it's consuming oil why it doesn't do it after x-cross day and hard mountains driving? i only saw oil level reduced after relaxed high way and traffic driving.... __________________

07-24-2010, 02:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,766	I think the problem is using "Weird Oil" Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

07-24-2010, 02:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Glenn1 EYECELLEM Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SF Bay Area, California Posts: 2,654	Stop the presses!! Jonathan made a joke!!!! __________________ I'll go anywhere, as long as I can drive there.

07-24-2010, 02:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,766	th th thats all folks jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

07-24-2010, 10:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jim21680 Got S2000? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,811	You check the oil every time before you drive it??? The car is built by Honda, ya know....I think you can relax a little. No worries. I've heard some cars burn oil, but as long as you stick to regular changes you'll be fine.

07-24-2010, 07:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Croc Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 35	what do you mean? how can i check this? __________________

07-24-2010, 11:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
s2kx2 Resident Vigilante Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,266	Hot Climate ... 5w 40w? ... You might want to check out a viscosity chart __________________ "Political Correctness is a pathetically ignorant doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous agenda filled revisionist mainstream media, which holds forth fallacy as fact that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."

07-25-2010, 02:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
Croc Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 35	what are you suggesting? i checked viscosity chart more than once but it's too vague and not unequivocal. anything between 5-10 W 30-40. __________________

07-25-2010, 03:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
Croc Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 35	i always wipe the dipstick. hot check is interesting also. __________________

07-25-2010, 05:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
Dotti90 Resident Aussie Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 290	croc just so you know what is related to the climate you live in is the (x)W i like to call W winter i think it actually means winter but it meant that a lower W oil say what your using 5 it is low for a hot climate and is not needed. basically it is how quickly it will get to optimum viscosity. sorry if its confusing its just what comes out of my head onto the keyboard =P if anyone wants to correct me or make it simpler by all means....PS id reccomend a 15W30 or 15W40 i find that to be good for 4cyl engines in reasonably hot climates

07-25-2010, 06:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
leahysailor Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 591	The early f20c was notorious for burning oil. My first S would use almost a 1 1/2 quarts of oil between changes. I used regular dyno oil not synthetic. I tried to use synthetic once (mobil 1) and my oil consumption doubled. I also live in a very hot climate. I would reccommend that you change to 10 w 30 motor oil and possibly a dyno oil. I'm driving my second S and I run nothing but dyno oil in it and I have no oil consumption at all. I'm not saying synthetic is not great oil because it is, I'm just saying that some of these cars use a lot more oil than others. I change my oil and filter every three thousand miles and have had no mechanical failures. By the way how often do you hit vtec? __________________ "

07-25-2010, 07:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
Croc Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 35	Vtec?.......hm....... on the hard driving - quite a lot. uphills are done at high revs. "normal" driving is very few Vtecs and most of the time done at 4000-5000 rpms. and untill now oild level got lower after "normal" driving. __________________

07-25-2010, 07:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
philiam Senior Member, Literally Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: woodland hills, CA Posts: 4,196	There's too much worry about oil consumption. It just means it's doing it's job. It's not an indication of any engine problems unless you use more than 1 qt. every thousand miles. On the up side, when you add oil you're replenishing the additives that are important to engine life. Especially a high performing engine like the S. In a hot climate, a good synthetic gives you extra protection. Sort of a crankshaft condom. The molecular structure is more consistent than with regular oil, which may account for the difference in oil use. __________________ .

07-26-2010, 05:30 AM	#18 (permalink)
swagerr Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 4	We need to know how much oil is consumed Fri miles driven. You can drive many miles and 3 months or 5,000 km, auction and may indicate a gallon of oil consumed.Add a gallon of oil. Run the engine for 10 seconds, wait 5 minutes to check the oil level.

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