2.4 tsx pulley on 2.2 s2k

JDM06S · 09-30-2007, 08:05 PM

has anybody heard of switching a tsx 2.4 pulley on a 2.2 s2k before? i read it works, it frees up a lil bit of hp & tq. anyone have any info about this or done it? lookin for some cheap hp

Java Junky · 09-30-2007, 08:13 PM

Buy an ol' 5.0 Mustang. 'Don't get cheaper HP than that.
Be well.
Java

controller · 09-30-2007, 08:48 PM

I would guess that if that really did work, Honda would have supplied it from the factory that way since an acura part would be just as easy to source.

Also, if they didn't do it, and it really did free up hp/torque, they probably have a really good reason for not doing it. Like having a pulley from a motor that doesn't redline at 8k.

JDM06S · 10-01-2007, 06:15 AM

well i was told that it dose work by a friend that has one on his car. also he said that having a pulley from a motor that dont redline at the same as a s2k dose not matter. if the pulley is lighter, less weight for the crank to spin. want to see if there is any one else who has tried.

SLAB · 10-01-2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java Junky

Buy an ol' 5.0 Mustang. 'Don't get cheaper HP than that.
Be well.
Java

no need for moronic responses just because you probably spent a large ammount of money getting 0.3 hp out of your s2k...theres probably a reason for that

Quote:

Originally Posted by controller

I would guess that if that really did work, Honda would have supplied it from the factory that way since an acura part would be just as easy to source.

Also, if they didn't do it, and it really did free up hp/torque, they probably have a really good reason for not doing it. Like having a pulley from a motor that doesn't redline at 8k.

thats why i think its impossible to supercharge the car. i mean, superchargers really DID exist and work, it would be factory right? mabey they havent found any of that magic 8000rpm stable metal yet...i think it would be best to just install a 5.0 mustang engine.. thoes dont need 8000rpm pullies....8000rpm just sounds so unsafe!

in all seriousness, you could probably somehow cross referance the acura 2.4 pulley, see what else it fits, or ask for one at the parts counter, and compare it to stock. mabey its smaller diameter, like an underdrive pulley, or im betting its made out of the much lighter, 10,000 rpm metal and Honda is being greedy...

controller · 10-01-2007, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SLAB

no need for moronic responses just because you probably spent a large ammount of money getting 0.3 hp out of your s2k...theres probably a reason for that

thats why i think its impossible to supercharge the car. i mean, superchargers really DID exist and work, it would be factory right? mabey they havent found any of that magic 8000rpm stable metal yet...i think it would be best to just install a 5.0 mustang engine.. thoes dont need 8000rpm pullies....8000rpm just sounds so unsafe!

in all seriousness, you could probably somehow cross referance the acura 2.4 pulley, see what else it fits, or ask for one at the parts counter, and compare it to stock. mabey its smaller diameter, like an underdrive pulley, or im betting its made out of the much lighter, 10,000 rpm metal and Honda is being greedy...

It is unsafe. Spinning anything faster than it is engineered for is unsafe. If it wasn't, there'd be no need for speed ratings on tires. It has nothing to do with quality of metals.

Yes, superchargers are an effective way to increase horsepower, but it isn't cheap. Horsepower does not come cheap on the s2000.

jagg · 10-01-2007, 07:36 AM

kinda harsh, ain't ya kid?

i'll play devil's advocate and AGREE that you can't get cheaper horsepower than a 5.0 stang. i've got a nice old fox body in the barn if you're interested in finding a way to squeeze that pretty ford engine into your jetta.

JDM06S · 10-01-2007, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by controller

It is unsafe. Spinning anything faster than it is engineered for is unsafe. If it wasn't, there'd be no need for speed ratings on tires. It has nothing to do with quality of metals.

Yes, superchargers are an effective way to increase horsepower, but it isn't cheap. Horsepower does not come cheap on the s2000.

rookie question i understand tires have speed ratings? but is there speed ratings on crank pulley. lol. come on man think about it. pepole put b16 & b18 heads on b20 block. and b20's are none v-tech and that works & makes hp & tq. so how do you know that a 2.4 tsx pulley will & would not work on a 2.2 s2k. i saw it put on and he drives the car. he did it taking a chance and worked. i was just seeing if this is something that can be done or if he is the only one to think of this mod to make gains to the s2k. that's all.

controller · 10-01-2007, 07:56 AM

No, there aren't published speed ratings on a crank pulley. Its all about risk though, isn't it?

SLAB · 10-01-2007, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagg

kinda harsh, ain't ya kid?

i'll play devil's advocate and AGREE that you can't get cheaper horsepower than a 5.0 stang. i've got a nice old fox body in the barn if you're interested in finding a way to squeeze that pretty ford engine into your jetta.

sure. ok. only if it has thoes 8,000 rpm pullies, because i expect nothing less. oh, and it needs to be cheap (read: free)

if i ask you if something works on an s2k, i really dont give a **** what color the sky is, or how your day was, or what you think about the ford 5.0. crap like this is what makes most other honda forums nearly useless as far as quality input and information. go find a chat room or something...

Quote:

Originally Posted by controller

It is unsafe. Spinning anything faster than it is engineered for is unsafe. If it wasn't, there'd be no need for speed ratings on tires. It has nothing to do with quality of metals.

Yes, superchargers are an effective way to increase horsepower, but it isn't cheap. Horsepower does not come cheap on the s2000.

i dont think the origional poster was looking for the +500 from a coolant temp sender resistor or a tornado fuel saver...

TSX aparently makes "max hp" at 7000 rpm. couldnt find the redline, well im sure i oculd, but i dont care THAT much...but 1000 rpm diff isnt something i would loose sleep over let alone thinking of the 2.4 pully is hoing to come through the hood of my s2k and kill a small child on their way to school...

mabey its a nice upgrade that is inexpensive, and improves drivability... who knows? aparently no one, because they wont try.

Java Junky · 10-01-2007, 08:59 AM

All this hoopla over what? Maybe .3 HP? Let's be generous n' say 1 whole HP.
Whether it actually works r' not don't mean diddly. You godda wonder 'bout the wisdom involved in spendin' time changin' stuff when you can probably get the same results from skippin' lunch r' cleanin' out the trunk.
You want performance oud'a Stewie? Spend time learnin' to drive it.
There's gobs'a performance in this little rocket that's jus' collectin' dust 'cause it's simply never tapped.
90% of all this talk about gainin' .2 HP here, .7 HP there r' goin' on about the potency of the redline . . . way too much time with reports n' articles.
It's like Clint goin' through his speech about "This is a .44 Magnum . . " n' when he's done, beatin' the guy to death with the butt of it.
While it may not be a .44 Magnum, it's godda lodda potential that goes untapped too much'a the time.
These wimpy .3 n' such add-ons r' such a song n' dance.
Yeah, yeah . . . I know: somebody somewhere'z gonna try to convince me that he/she can detect the difference.
Different strokes.
Be well.
Java

SLAB · 10-01-2007, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java Junky

All this hoopla over what? Maybe .3 HP? Let's be generous n' say 1 whole HP.
Whether it actually works r' not don't mean diddly. You godda wonder 'bout the wisdom involved in spendin' time changin' stuff when you can probably get the same results from skippin' lunch r' cleanin' out the trunk.
You want performance oud'a Stewie? Spend time learnin' to drive it.
There's gobs'a performance in this little rocket that's jus' collectin' dust 'cause it's simply never tapped.
90% of all this talk about gainin' .2 HP here, .7 HP there r' goin' on about the potency of the redline . . . way too much time with reports n' articles.
It's like Clint goin' through his speech about "This is a .44 Magnum . . " n' when he's done, beatin' the guy to death with the butt of it.
While it may not be a .44 Magnum, it's godda lodda potential that goes untapped too much'a the time.
These wimpy .3 n' such add-ons r' such a song n' dance.
Yeah, yeah . . . I know: somebody somewhere'z gonna try to convince me that he/she can detect the difference.
Different strokes.
Be well.
Java

so what if i did 3 or 4 other things that gave me 0.3-0.7hp each, lost 10 lbs by skipping lunch for 5 days, AND properly disposed of the body in my trunk?

id have a bangin s2k

for all you know the pulley takes 5 minutes to install, costs $20, returns 0.5hp, and 2 mpg. might be worth it.

you are probably the guy who accepts his own fate, and just rides it out. if you dont know, dont bother

HELL_ON_WHEELS · 10-01-2007, 11:14 AM

HAHA hes getting all heated over a pulley, and what people say
what happend to I don't give a sh!@

I think if JDM06S wants to try it go for it, you might come across somthing cool you never know, and if you do the swap keep us posted

JDM06S · 10-01-2007, 11:29 AM

HELL ON WHEELS doing some more research and then i will try and keep the pepole who are interested in there s2k, about the difference. even if the differences are small or big. AND TO JAVA i am aware that there is alot of other performance parts out there. but how cool would it be if i am on to something here. no need for all this comotion.

jagg · 10-01-2007, 11:55 AM

jdm, maybe this helps.

tsx-- part # 13810PNA003 ($76.12)
S2K-- part # 13810PCX003 ($96.1

the pulley on the 2.4 tsx engine is bolted down with 36 ft. lbs of force.
the pulley on the s2k engine is bolted down with 181 ft. lbs of force.

the s2k is obviously a heavier setup compared to the tsx.
a marginal amount of weight can be saved by exchanging one pulley for the other.
in theory, this would increase performance some tiny amount. BUT--

jagg · 10-01-2007, 11:58 AM

how much durability do you sacrifice ?
it seems like a bad place to try and save some weight.
if that's the direction you would want to go in, a lighter flywheel would be a better choice. more weight savings compared to the pully, less chance of disaster.
good luck.

Java Junky · 10-01-2007, 12:12 PM

Point taken guys.
Be well.
Java

SLAB · 10-01-2007, 12:28 PM

THANKS JAGG thats what everyone was looking for!

JDM06S · 10-01-2007, 05:17 PM

THANKS JAGG your info will be taken into concideration. more research required at this point. agian guys helpfull as always.

bobby2002S2K · 10-01-2007, 05:36 PM

lol, man i got to get in on this. I'm dang near rolling out of my chair! I'm goin to change my pulley first thing in the morning! lol. J/k

In theory i think it will do what you are trying to get done JDM06S. If IT does work? My question is how are ya goin to tell if it really does do anything? Because if it does heck i'll jump on the band wagon and pick me one up.

bobby2002S2K · 10-01-2007, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAB

no need for moronic responses just because you probably spent a large ammount of money getting 0.3 hp out of your s2k...theres probably a reason for that

thats why i think its impossible to supercharge the car. i mean, superchargers really DID exist and work, it would be factory right? mabey they havent found any of that magic 8000rpm stable metal yet...i think it would be best to just install a 5.0 mustang engine.. thoes dont need 8000rpm pullies....8000rpm just sounds so unsafe!

in all seriousness, you could probably somehow cross referance the acura 2.4 pulley, see what else it fits, or ask for one at the parts counter, and compare it to stock. mabey its smaller diameter, like an underdrive pulley, or im betting its made out of the much lighter, 10,000 rpm metal and Honda is being greedy...

you just said no need for moronic responses then you gave one in the same post,lol. Sorry dont mean no offence just thought it was funny.

JDM06S · 10-01-2007, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby2002S2K

lol, man i got to get in on this. I'm dang near rolling out of my chair! I'm goin to change my pulley first thing in the morning! lol. J/k

In theory i think it will do what you are trying to get done JDM06S. If IT does work? My question is how are ya goin to tell if it really does do anything? Because if it does heck i'll jump on the band wagon and pick me one up.

BOBBY i will dyno the car first and get the readings. then make the install of the pulley and see what my differences are. and i will let you all know. every lit bit helps. even if its small or big.

Java Junky · 10-01-2007, 07:53 PM

Dyno????? Dyno?????
Sam, make mine a double.

jagg · 10-02-2007, 07:05 AM

coming right up sir. would you like that on the rocks?

hey, have you seen my mustang? she's a beauty.
you may recognize me by my call sign. i'm all over the chat rooms too.

kgf3076 · 10-02-2007, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java Junky

Dyno????? Dyno?????
Sam, make mine a double.

gonna have to dyno that puppy twice within an hour which means he'll have to change the pully immediately after the first dyno run and then do another dyno run right away. Must be nice to have disposable income to waste on a crank pulley.

jagg · 10-02-2007, 08:52 AM

wasn't the whole point to the thread being able to find some cheap horsepower? it doesn't seem cost effective to be off to the dyno every time you change spark plugs.

it was said best, and early on i might add.
"there is no cheap horsepower for an s2k"

didn't honda spend millions and millions of dollars finding every available
pony in this car (while still reliable) already?

speaking of ponies, did i mention i've got this hot little number up in the barn?

09-30-2007, 08:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
JDM06S PLAIN & SIMPLE Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: florida Posts: 39	2.4 tsx pulley on 2.2 s2k has anybody heard of switching a tsx 2.4 pulley on a 2.2 s2k before? i read it works, it frees up a lil bit of hp & tq. anyone have any info about this or done it? lookin for some cheap hp

09-30-2007, 08:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	Buy an ol' 5.0 Mustang. 'Don't get cheaper HP than that. Be well. Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

09-30-2007, 08:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
controller Yellow is the fastest. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 267	I would guess that if that really did work, Honda would have supplied it from the factory that way since an acura part would be just as easy to source. Also, if they didn't do it, and it really did free up hp/torque, they probably have a really good reason for not doing it. Like having a pulley from a motor that doesn't redline at 8k. Last edited by controller : 09-30-2007 at 08:50 PM. Reason: Added 2nd paragraph

10-01-2007, 08:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	All this hoopla over what? Maybe .3 HP? Let's be generous n' say 1 *whole* HP. Whether it actually works r' not don't mean diddly. You godda wonder 'bout the wisdom involved in spendin' time changin' stuff when you can probably get the same results from skippin' lunch r' cleanin' out the trunk. You want performance oud'a Stewie? Spend time learnin' to drive it. There's gobs'a performance in this little rocket that's jus' collectin' dust 'cause it's simply never tapped. 90% of all this talk about gainin' .2 HP here, .7 HP there r' goin' on about the potency of the redline . . . way too much time with reports n' articles. It's like Clint goin' through his speech about "This is a .44 Magnum . . " n' when he's done, *beatin'* the guy to death with the butt of it. While it may not be a .44 Magnum, it's godda lodda potential that goes untapped too much'a the time. These wimpy .3 n' such add-ons r' such a song n' dance. Yeah, yeah . . . I know: somebody somewhere'z gonna try to convince me that he/she can detect the difference. Different strokes. Be well. Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

10-01-2007, 11:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
HELL_ON_WHEELS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 639	HAHA hes getting all heated over a pulley, and what people say what happend to I don't give a sh!@ I think if JDM06S wants to try it go for it, you might come across somthing cool you never know, and if you do the swap keep us posted __________________ "Drive it like you stole it"

10-01-2007, 06:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
JDM06S PLAIN & SIMPLE Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: florida Posts: 39	well i was told that it dose work by a friend that has one on his car. also he said that having a pulley from a motor that dont redline at the same as a s2k dose not matter. if the pulley is lighter, less weight for the crank to spin. want to see if there is any one else who has tried.

10-01-2007, 07:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,520	kinda harsh, ain't ya kid? i'll play devil's advocate and AGREE that you can't get cheaper horsepower than a 5.0 stang. i've got a nice old fox body in the barn if you're interested in finding a way to squeeze that pretty ford engine into your jetta.

10-01-2007, 07:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
controller Yellow is the fastest. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 267	No, there aren't published speed ratings on a crank pulley. Its all about risk though, isn't it?

10-01-2007, 11:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
JDM06S PLAIN & SIMPLE Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: florida Posts: 39	HELL ON WHEELS doing some more research and then i will try and keep the pepole who are interested in there s2k, about the difference. even if the differences are small or big. AND TO JAVA i am aware that there is alot of other performance parts out there. but how cool would it be if i am on to something here. no need for all this comotion.

10-01-2007, 11:55 AM	#15 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,520	jdm, maybe this helps. tsx-- part # 13810PNA003 ($76.12) S2K-- part # 13810PCX003 ($96.1 the pulley on the 2.4 tsx engine is bolted down with 36 ft. lbs of force. the pulley on the s2k engine is bolted down with 181 ft. lbs of force. the s2k is obviously a heavier setup compared to the tsx. a marginal amount of weight can be saved by exchanging one pulley for the other. in theory, this would increase performance some tiny amount. BUT--

10-01-2007, 11:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,520	how much durability do you sacrifice ? it seems like a bad place to try and save some weight. if that's the direction you would want to go in, a lighter flywheel would be a better choice. more weight savings compared to the pully, less chance of disaster. good luck.

10-01-2007, 12:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	Point taken guys. Be well. Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

10-01-2007, 12:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
SLAB Too poor for S2000 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	THANKS JAGG thats what everyone was looking for!

10-01-2007, 05:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
JDM06S PLAIN & SIMPLE Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: florida Posts: 39	THANKS JAGG your info will be taken into concideration. more research required at this point. agian guys helpfull as always.

10-01-2007, 05:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
bobby2002S2K Wisdom begins in wonder. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lorton,VA Posts: 528	lol, man i got to get in on this. I'm dang near rolling out of my chair! I'm goin to change my pulley first thing in the morning! lol. J/k In theory i think it will do what you are trying to get done JDM06S. If IT does work? My question is how are ya goin to tell if it really does do anything? Because if it does heck i'll jump on the band wagon and pick me one up. __________________ I still cant get my foot off the floor and its been over a 2yrs now

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Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	Dyno????? *Dyno?????* Sam, make mine a double. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room. Last edited by Java Junky : 10-02-2007 at 03:53 AM. Reason: Needed another drink

10-02-2007, 07:05 AM	#24 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,520	coming right up sir. would you like that on the rocks? hey, have you seen my mustang? she's a beauty. you may recognize me by my call sign. i'm all over the chat rooms too.

10-02-2007, 08:52 AM	#26 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,520	finally, this thread comes full circle. wasn't the whole point to the thread being able to find some cheap horsepower? it doesn't seem cost effective to be off to the dyno every time you change spark plugs. it was said best, and early on i might add. "there is no cheap horsepower for an s2k" didn't honda spend millions and millions of dollars finding every available pony in this car (while still reliable) already? speaking of ponies, did i mention i've got this hot little number up in the barn?