PROBLEM!!! :/ loud engine

aladdin20110 · 12-20-2007, 01:09 PM

ok so basically ive been driving around and a small sound was coming from the camshaft....
fine no biggie,
then yesturday my oil level light comes on.. so im driving to express lube. stop at the gas station then i keep goin, then the sound is extra loud, like knocking (pretty loud) then i get to express lube, do an oil change (guy says my oil level was REALLLLLY low)... he said thats prolly why the sound was coming..

-FINE-

New oil, sound is still there.. drove it all the way home.. CAR RUNS FINE, FAST SAME AS ALWAYS, JUST LOUD AS HELL.. KNOCKING,, ITS ANNOYING..

wht could it be?? I drove my moms van today, dont want to risk something getting messed up..

HELP!

bobby2002s2k. · 12-20-2007, 01:14 PM

Its done. Sorry bro.

aladdin20110 · 12-20-2007, 01:23 PM

serious?? i mean it cud be the valves... need adjustments... Not a piston rod, cus it wouldn't drive as good as it does,, its just LOUD.. ?????? :\

aladdin20110 · 12-20-2007, 01:24 PM

oh and it has 27,000 miles only.. come on its a honda...

DJJSR · 12-20-2007, 02:08 PM

If your oil was REALLY low, it doesn't matter if your car only has 5 miles on it, you can do some serious damage pretty quickly.

Do you ever check your oil?
Why did you keep driving it when the light came on?
Why did you keep driving it when it started knocking?

In most engines, the first thing that starts making a knocking noise from lack of lubrication is the connecting rod bearings. You could also have main bearing damage, crankshaft damage, piston ring and cylinder damage, camshaft damage, etc. .........you get the idea.

s2000isu · 12-20-2007, 02:11 PM

LOL

You think hondas can run without oil? Maintenance could have avoided this. That motor is trashed.

aladdin20110 · 12-20-2007, 02:21 PM

damn lol.. yea vtech is knwn to burn oil... umm sux.. so new motor huh?? i got my mechanic lookin at it now... we'll see..

dont get me wrong i take care of it.... just didnt no.. til the oil light came on, 5 mins later that sound... so I went straight to an oil change shop... and did the oil change..and ive always changed it on time... oh well

MattG · 12-20-2007, 03:18 PM

As with any engine - by the time the oil light comes on it is already too late.

H20 · 12-20-2007, 04:01 PM

Amazing.

aladdin20110 · 12-20-2007, 04:02 PM

sure is.. let it be a lesson learned huh?? there goes 3-4 grand... :\

Sideways · 12-20-2007, 05:13 PM

That is not a low oil level light. It means no oil pressure. It seems you toasted your engine with total abuse.

jagg · 12-20-2007, 05:38 PM

I'm cringing reading this thread Aladdin........I really hope it works out for you, but these guys aren't joking when they express that it sounds like your engine's fubar.

good luck,
jagg

philiam · 12-20-2007, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aladdin20110

damn lol.. yea vtech is knwn to burn oil... umm sux.. so new motor huh?? i got my mechanic lookin at it now... we'll see..

dont get me wrong i take care of it.... just didnt no.. til the oil light came on, 5 mins later that sound... so I went straight to an oil change shop... and did the oil change..and ive always changed it on time... oh well

I would avoid oil change shops. Some are pretty shady. The oil should be checked every time you gas up.

Java Junky · 12-20-2007, 09:17 PM

FUBAR.
Yup.
'Sorry Al.

Scooter · 12-20-2007, 10:33 PM

Ah, sorry 'lad, the oil light isn't a warning, it's the signal for a wake... Sam, I'll take the first round, then Al's buying the rest of the night. Everyone... "Oh, Danny Boy"

Scooter · 12-20-2007, 10:37 PM

Oh, and yep, it's happened to me too, some 20 years ago... That's why I'm buyin' the first round!

DJJSR · 12-21-2007, 06:54 AM

Seems like in this day of high tech monitoring of virtually everything an engine does, why doesn't it just shut down when low oil pressure is detected?

Also, it's odd that a performance car doesn't have an oil pressure gauge. The idiot light is a warning for your wallet.

Java Junky · 12-21-2007, 06:58 AM

'Z'much'z I hate agreein' with that Chevy-lovin' feller jus' north'a this post, that's a damn good question.
Only answer ta somethin' like that'd be the almighty dollar DJJ. Why else?

HELL_ON_WHEELS · 12-21-2007, 07:02 AM

man that suck is it still under warranty?

Java Junky · 12-21-2007, 07:13 AM

Warranty ain't about ta up n' take the heat fer low oil Hell.

jagg · 12-21-2007, 07:15 AM

It's not such a big deal if the light comes on, it's just really important to stop driving it when it does. That was the "duh" moment.

For sure, the parameters under which the oil pressure sending unit on the block operates, are designed to turn on the light long before the engine detonates.

Aladdin didn't say that anybody saw any leaks.........my guess is he's got a few quarts of oil in his coolant. The "slight" camshaft noise (i can't imagine how this was determined) was the warning......not the light.
This engine likely broke long before, and was driven till it croaked.

jagg

DJJSR · 12-21-2007, 07:26 AM

I agree jagg, the cam noise should have been the warning to check things out. The rod knock reminds you that you screwed up when you didn't check the cam noise.

Quote from the manual.........

"Running the engine with low oil pressure can cause serious mechanical damage almost immediately. Turn off engine as soon as you can safely get the vehicle stopped."

RoCKet · 12-21-2007, 09:24 AM

ouch..... and let us pray for that engine........[-o<........amen

aladdin20110 · 12-21-2007, 03:51 PM

I hope its not a rod... Its being checkout..

Ok the thing of it is... I am driving normally so i didnt know... I mean there was a ticking noise but not much.. I was just going to get an oil change I figured it needed one even though I changed it about 2500 miles ago.. the next day the ticking becomes knocking as the oil 'pressure' light comes on.. This happens on my way to the shop.. At first I heard it i freaked out.. then i thought logically.. low oil... ok... noise?? ok, PISTONS... pistons wht? they are hitting the side wall cus there isn't enough lubrication where the piston sits.. ok oil change.. fine did it.. noise...? still there...

DAMN-- was bout to cry, cus I had a eclipse with a similar issue.. I knew where this was goin...

ok so new oil.. noise still there.. finally get it to my mechanic.. He said that it could be the valve lifter.. in this case it can be fixed... or valves need adjustment.. etc..

If the sound comes from the top, im good.. if its comin from the bottom (pistons) new motor time.. NEW MOTOR?? 3-6 large...

so yea.... praying.......

Sideways · 12-21-2007, 04:32 PM

Take this time to sit back and read the owners manual. There is plenty of good information in there. The part about checking your oil with each fuel fill up is there for a reason.

philiam · 12-21-2007, 06:28 PM

I'm wondering where the oil went in 2500 miles. Maybe the oil change place neglected to fill it or left the plug loose. I'd use a good synthetic like Mobil 1 and change it less often. Who knows what they put in your car? If you were using that much oil it should be smoking.

I agree that the car should have more and real gauges, including oil temp and volt meter.

aladdin20110 · 12-21-2007, 08:23 PM

ok so theres this guy who is selling disassembled parts from an ap2,

I have an ap1, and you guys know the situation.

I was wondering which parts i can use that are interchangeable..I am disassembling my motor tmmrw and looking into what the problem is.. crank, rods?? etc... check out his ad.. let me know...

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pts/489043310.html

H20 · 12-22-2007, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aladdin20110

ok so theres this guy who is selling disassembled parts from an ap2,

I have an ap1, and you guys know the situation.

I was wondering which parts i can use that are interchangeable..I am disassembling my motor tmmrw and looking into what the problem is.. crank, rods?? etc... check out his ad.. let me know...

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pts/489043310.html

Unless you are pretty talented I would bring the motor to an engine builder. Tell him you ran it out of oil and he will know what to check.

Or wait for some other young gun to wrap an AP1 around a tree and buy what's left. That happens often enough.

12-20-2007, 01:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
aladdin20110 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 193	PROBLEM!!! :/ loud engine ok so basically ive been driving around and a small sound was coming from the camshaft.... fine no biggie, then yesturday my oil level light comes on.. so im driving to express lube. stop at the gas station then i keep goin, then the sound is extra loud, like knocking (pretty loud) then i get to express lube, do an oil change (guy says my oil level was REALLLLLY low)... he said thats prolly why the sound was coming.. -FINE- New oil, sound is still there.. drove it all the way home.. CAR RUNS FINE, FAST SAME AS ALWAYS, JUST LOUD AS HELL.. KNOCKING,, ITS ANNOYING.. wht could it be?? I drove my moms van today, dont want to risk something getting messed up.. HELP!

12-20-2007, 01:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
bobby2002s2k. S2K 4 life!! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 239	Its done. Sorry bro. __________________ ITs been over a year and i still cant keep my foot off the floor!

12-20-2007, 02:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
DJJSR Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hooterville Posts: 1,751	If your oil was REALLY low, it doesn't matter if your car only has 5 miles on it, you can do some serious damage pretty quickly. Do you ever check your oil? Why did you keep driving it when the light came on? Why did you keep driving it when it started knocking? In most engines, the first thing that starts making a knocking noise from lack of lubrication is the connecting rod bearings. You could also have main bearing damage, crankshaft damage, piston ring and cylinder damage, camshaft damage, etc. .........you get the idea. __________________ Don Last edited by DJJSR : 12-20-2007 at 02:14 PM.

12-20-2007, 02:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,172	LOL You think hondas can run without oil? Maintenance could have avoided this. That motor is trashed. __________________ S2kx2: "paint it pink! Or better yet buy a Miata" 2001 Vortech SC 12.8 at 111 miles per hour

12-20-2007, 05:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
Sideways Fastest S2000 in the West Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 25	That is not a low oil level light. It means no oil pressure. It seems you toasted your engine with total abuse. __________________ Sideways http://www.streetfire.net/video/0f5a...3e00a75a68.htm 242 rwhp/liter

12-20-2007, 01:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
aladdin20110 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 193	serious?? i mean it cud be the valves... need adjustments... Not a piston rod, cus it wouldn't drive as good as it does,, its just LOUD.. ?????? :\

12-20-2007, 01:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
aladdin20110 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 193	oh and it has 27,000 miles only.. come on its a honda...

12-20-2007, 02:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
aladdin20110 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 193	damn lol.. yea vtech is knwn to burn oil... umm sux.. so new motor huh?? i got my mechanic lookin at it now... we'll see.. dont get me wrong i take care of it.... just didnt no.. til the oil light came on, 5 mins later that sound... so I went straight to an oil change shop... and did the oil change..and ive always changed it on time... oh well

12-20-2007, 03:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
MattG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 361	As with any engine - by the time the oil light comes on it is already too late.

12-20-2007, 04:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
H20 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: CT, USA Posts: 425	Amazing.

12-20-2007, 04:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
aladdin20110 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 193	sure is.. let it be a lesson learned huh?? there goes 3-4 grand... :\

12-20-2007, 05:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,520	I'm cringing reading this thread Aladdin........I really hope it works out for you, but these guys aren't joking when they express that it sounds like your engine's fubar. good luck, jagg

12-20-2007, 09:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	FUBAR. Yup. 'Sorry Al. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

12-20-2007, 10:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Scooter Senior Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,228	Ah, sorry 'lad, the oil light isn't a warning, it's the signal for a wake... Sam, I'll take the first round, then Al's buying the rest of the night. Everyone... "Oh, Danny Boy"

12-20-2007, 10:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
Scooter Senior Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,228	Oh, and yep, it's happened to me too, some 20 years ago... That's why I'm buyin' the first round!

12-21-2007, 06:54 AM	#17 (permalink)
DJJSR Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hooterville Posts: 1,751	Seems like in this day of high tech monitoring of virtually everything an engine does, why doesn't it just shut down when low oil pressure is detected? Also, it's odd that a performance car doesn't have an oil pressure gauge. The idiot light is a warning for your wallet. __________________ Don

12-21-2007, 06:58 AM	#18 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	'Z'much'z I hate agreein' with that Chevy-lovin' feller jus' north'a this post, that's a damn good question. Only answer ta somethin' like that'd be the almighty dollar DJJ. Why else? __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

12-21-2007, 07:02 AM	#19 (permalink)
HELL_ON_WHEELS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 639	man that suck is it still under warranty? __________________ "Drive it like you stole it"

12-21-2007, 07:13 AM	#20 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	Warranty ain't about ta up n' take the heat fer low oil Hell. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

12-21-2007, 07:15 AM	#21 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,520	It's not such a big deal if the light comes on, it's just really important to stop driving it when it does. That was the "duh" moment. For sure, the parameters under which the oil pressure sending unit on the block operates, are designed to turn on the light long before the engine detonates. Aladdin didn't say that anybody saw any leaks.........my guess is he's got a few quarts of oil in his coolant. The "slight" camshaft noise (i can't imagine how this was determined) was the warning......not the light. This engine likely broke long before, and was driven till it croaked. jagg

12-21-2007, 07:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
DJJSR Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hooterville Posts: 1,751	I agree jagg, the cam noise should have been the warning to check things out. The rod knock reminds you that you screwed up when you didn't check the cam noise. Quote from the manual......... "Running the engine with low oil pressure can cause serious mechanical damage almost immediately. Turn off engine as soon as you can safely get the vehicle stopped." __________________ Don

12-21-2007, 09:24 AM	#23 (permalink)
RoCKet Road Ripper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Where ever there is a twisty! Posts: 211	ouch..... and let us pray for that engine........[-o<........amen __________________ As i drive through the valley of death i shall fear no evil, for none of them can catch me anyways! Say i cant do it.......Now watch me walk on water Mods: Eagle f1's, Mugen Test Pipe, Typhoon complete CAI, Mio Gps/ Modifry Dash Bracket, Jvc Single din touchscreen head unit, JL audio 12" Comp, Kicker800 watt amp. Last edited by RoCKet : 12-21-2007 at 11:17 AM.

12-21-2007, 03:51 PM	#24 (permalink)
aladdin20110 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 193	I hope its not a rod... Its being checkout.. Ok the thing of it is... I am driving normally so i didnt know... I mean there was a ticking noise but not much.. I was just going to get an oil change I figured it needed one even though I changed it about 2500 miles ago.. the next day the ticking becomes knocking as the oil 'pressure' light comes on.. This happens on my way to the shop.. At first I heard it i freaked out.. then i thought logically.. low oil... ok... noise?? ok, PISTONS... pistons wht? they are hitting the side wall cus there isn't enough lubrication where the piston sits.. ok oil change.. fine did it.. noise...? still there... DAMN-- was bout to cry, cus I had a eclipse with a similar issue.. I knew where this was goin... ok so new oil.. noise still there.. finally get it to my mechanic.. He said that it could be the valve lifter.. in this case it can be fixed... or valves need adjustment.. etc.. If the sound comes from the top, im good.. if its comin from the bottom (pistons) new motor time.. NEW MOTOR?? 3-6 large... so yea.... praying.......

12-21-2007, 04:32 PM	#25 (permalink)
Sideways Fastest S2000 in the West Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 25	Take this time to sit back and read the owners manual. There is plenty of good information in there. The part about checking your oil with each fuel fill up is there for a reason. __________________ Sideways http://www.streetfire.net/video/0f5a...3e00a75a68.htm 242 rwhp/liter

12-21-2007, 06:28 PM	#26 (permalink)
philiam Senior Member, Literally Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: woodland hills, CA Posts: 1,637	I'm wondering where the oil went in 2500 miles. Maybe the oil change place neglected to fill it or left the plug loose. I'd use a good synthetic like Mobil 1 and change it less often. Who knows what they put in your car? If you were using that much oil it should be smoking. I agree that the car should have more and real gauges, including oil temp and volt meter. __________________

12-21-2007, 08:23 PM	#27 (permalink)
aladdin20110 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 193	ap2 and ap1 interchangeable parts?? ok so theres this guy who is selling disassembled parts from an ap2, I have an ap1, and you guys know the situation. I was wondering which parts i can use that are interchangeable..I am disassembling my motor tmmrw and looking into what the problem is.. crank, rods?? etc... check out his ad.. let me know... http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pts/489043310.html