My S2000 died on me on the freeway ... Help!!

[kigz]

Was the original paint on your car red? because you have a red enginebay on a silverstone. Do they all come like this? I never noticed this..

[H20]

Originally Posted by kigz

definately cover that hole up in the intake, it's sucking in dust and dirt. Oil filter will clean it up, but for principle , you don't want junk in your engine.

How does it get to the oil filter please? There is a much better reason then priciple for filtering intake air. Also if the kid stuck his finger over the hole and felt no suck, it's already blocked.

Cant you just undo the fuel line from the rail and turn the key on to see if the pump is alive? Carefull though, fuel under pressure. I'd give it a shot of starting juice just to see if she farts. Or you could check the LUG NUTS. Makes as much sense as some of this stuff.
Jag take over here..jeez.
not so easy to check for spark on these things I guess.
Air filters don't instantly clog completely either.

[kigz]

Originally Posted by H20

How does it get to the oil filter please? There is a much better reason then priciple for filtering intake air. Also if the kid stuck his finger over the hole and felt no suck, it's already blocked.

Cant you just undo the fuel line from the rail and turn the key on to see if the pump is alive? Carefull though, fuel under pressure. I'd give it a shot of starting juice just to see if she farts. Or you could check the LUG NUTS. Makes as much sense as some of this stuff.
Jag take over here..jeez.
not so easy to check for spark on these things I guess.
Air filters don't instantly clog completely either.

He said he just brought the car a couple weeks ago, the car has over 100k, the pics looks like the bay is dirty or hasnt been clean for a while(no offence to driver). The intake most likely is dirty as well, from his avatar does not look like he has a vented hood, a new intake shouldn't get dirty that fast unless he does happens to encounter alot of debris everyday. So, if this guy was driving with an intake thats already, really dirty, and drive more and more thus the engine is sucking in more air and more dirt.. it makes it very logical to have the engine just stop while he is driving like he has said.

have you ever covered your intake piping and tried to start your car? it won't... lack of air. So what are you really trying to prove. If you want to be the hero you can. I'm not trying to fight but don't brush off suggestions that are factual.. You know your probally right, I'm probally wrong but this DOES happen. It doesn't hurt if someone else can learn a thing or two. If I'm really wrong then explain yourself instead of disagreeing.

Finger over the hole and felt no suck? Ok, but it's open right? so as long as there is an openning there will always be a reason why dirt could possibly get into the engine. Plus its not enough pressure to feel anything when you rev it while you put your finger in the hole.. my POS SAFCII can attest to this.

go ahead and throw suggestions at him but don't mock me. Really your wasting your time

[kigz]

oh and how does it go to the oil filter?

very basic way
1. intake sucks in air
2. air goes into engine
3. engine oil circulated through engine
4. engine oil caputures any filings, dirt, unburnt foreign objects
5. engine oil filters through oil filter.

is this wrong? please do correct me. This is how what I researched

[bbcricketta]

Originally Posted by kigz

...make sure your terminals are brushed and clean and TIGHT, if not try wrapping some aluminum foil around the terminal polls of the battery to help fit the terminals. My old battery was sanded and my terminals wouldn't fit no more so I used aluminum foil to help keep it tight.

perhaps you could use some of that aluminum foil to make yourself a helmet?


i am surprised that no one has suggested a map whack.

Originally Posted by kigz

Finger over the hole and felt no suck? nudge her gently...

[jagg]

The kid took it to a mechanic..

smart move, lad.



jagg

[jagg]

'n I was getting ragged on the other day when I said there ain't much to be learned on a forum......

Heaven's to Mergatroid,
jagg

[Roger_Rabbit]

Originally Posted by turbosix

your passenger window doesnt work because you accidentally hit the window lock.

This was just covered by Lone Star... lol... I am still waiting for it to happen to me so I can tell everyone I know what to do...

As for the poster... When it died... Did it just die or was it a dramatic death like in the movies when someone fakes their death... Did it sputter and shake or did it just flat out die? If it acted all dramatic during its death, it is likely a bad fuel filter... I havent replaced one in a while but I dont think they are very expensive... Even if it is not the problem it wouldn't hurt to replace it...

[bbcricketta]

Originally Posted by Roger_Rabbit

This was just covered by Lone Star... lol... I am still waiting for it to happen to me so I can tell everyone I know what to do...

As for the poster... When it died... Did it just die or was it a dramatic death like in the movies when someone fakes their death... Did it sputter and shake or did it just flat out die? If it acted all dramatic during its death, it is likely a bad fuel filter... I havent replaced one in a while but I dont think they are very expensive... Even if it is not the problem it wouldn't hurt to replace it...

now if the S only had a fuel filter...

[H20]

Originally Posted by kigz

He said he just brought the car a couple weeks ago, the car has over 100k, the pics looks like the bay is dirty or hasnt been clean for a while(no offence to driver). The intake most likely is dirty as well, from his avatar does not look like he has a vented hood, a new intake shouldn't get dirty that fast unless he does happens to encounter alot of debris everyday. So, if this guy was driving with an intake thats already, really dirty, and drive more and more thus the engine is sucking in more air and more dirt.. it makes it very logical to have the engine just stop while he is driving like he has said.

have you ever covered your intake piping and tried to start your car? it won't... lack of air. So what are you really trying to prove. If you want to be the hero you can. I'm not trying to fight but don't brush off suggestions that are factual.. You know your probally right, I'm probally wrong but this DOES happen. It doesn't hurt if someone else can learn a thing or two. If I'm really wrong then explain yourself instead of disagreeing.

Finger over the hole and felt no suck? Ok, but it's open right? so as long as there is an openning there will always be a reason why dirt could possibly get into the engine. Plus its not enough pressure to feel anything when you rev it while you put your finger in the hole.. my POS SAFCII can attest to this.

go ahead and throw suggestions at him but don't mock me. Really your wasting your time

Actually I was trying to prevent misinformation, not mock you specifically.
Or be a hero. I like the sound of it though.
It's not OK to run no air filter because your oil filter will catch it. Whatever grit or mice or cats or whatever else gets in the intake has to get past the rings in the combustion chamber before it gets to the oil. Then, yes..perhaps the oil filter will catch whats left of it. But the damage is done to the cylinder bores and rings, or the pistons if you toss in some seashells and clams and such, and it's already done before blow-by heaves it into the crankcase. So dont count on your oil filter to do the job of your air filter.
A clogging air filter will be compensated for electronically for a while till eventually the engine will run so rich the plugs start to soot up and foul. This isnt something that happens all at once so it's VERY unlikely that this is the cause. Yes hold your hand over the intake and the engine won't start. His engine would have been showing signs of a dirty intake long before it would just shut off. I suppose it's possibe that the engine computer senses a lack of air and says NO FUEL FOR YOU! But I doubt it.
I am sorry for sounding like I am mocking you. I am imperfect. I wish I was a better person but I'm just not.

[mdjice]

nothing weird about the last 35 mn drive, car ran fine, no engine lights, no noise, nothing special. I was on 5th gear doing 70mph on US59, the car died like I was out of gas and that's it.
The car is at the shop so we shall see on monday.
thanks to all for the help. I have no idea why the intake etc.. have so much dust. I know the previous owner left it in the garage without driving it for a while.

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by kigz

Was the original paint on your car red? because you have a red enginebay on a silverstone. Do they all come like this? I never noticed this..

yes the car was originally red but the previous owner got it painted silver.

[RMurphy]

Originally Posted by mdjice

yes the car was originally red but the previous owner got it painted silver.

Oh, that's just so wrong. It would be just as wrong to paint a silver car red.

Okay, okay. It was his car so he could do whatever he wanted. I've just always been kind of a believer in keeping a car the same color it started life as. But obviously people can and should do whatever they like to their cars... even if it means spray painting the interior pink to vaguely resemble a much sought after female anatomical part. You pay for it, you own it, you get that privilege.

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by RMurphy

Oh, that's just so wrong. It would be just as wrong to paint a silver car red.

Okay, okay. It was his car so he could do whatever he wanted. I've just always been kind of a believer in keeping a car the same color it started life as. But obviously people can and should do whatever they like to their cars... even if it means spray painting the interior pink to vaguely resemble a much sought after female anatomical part. You pay for it, you own it, you get that privilege.

I actually would have NOT bought the car if it was red

[kigz]

This is good I'm finally learning again

[philiam]

I would pull the fuel line, put the end in a container, turn the ignition and see if your getting any gas. Your description sound like a plugged line filter or fuel pump. Eliminate one thing at a time.

[Roger_Rabbit]

Originally Posted by bbcricketta

now if the S only had a fuel filter...

It has no fuel filter...? That is crazy... When I said I havent replaced one in a while I was referring to other cars... I have never replaced or attempted to replace one in the S... Seriously though... It really has no fuel filter...? Why...?

[bbcricketta]

it is hard to change your sock...


http://s2000.com/forums/engine-tech-...-and-cats.html

you will have to ask gomarlins3 about page #9,#9,#9,#9,#9,#9,#9...

[jagg]

It has no fuel filter...? That is crazy

it has one, it's just in the tank.

chrysler's been doing this for awhile also.

jagg

[philiam]

Here tis.

[XenoGears]

Originally Posted by philiam

Harbor Freight has them for around $5 that work quite well.
WWW.harborfreight.com

I'm sorry Phil. I used to work at Harbor Freight (in the warehouse) and there's NO WAY I would recommend ANYTHING from Harbor Freight. Either it be a floor jack to a pencil. NOTHING. As we were unloading the product off the Chinese trucks they (the workers) would toss the product around like it was nothing. If the product got damaged no one cared. The products that Harbor Freight offer are garbage. Chinese junk. You have to buy 2 car jacks for one job because one WILL break. Harbor Freight, yuck.

[philiam]

Originally Posted by XenoGears

I'm sorry Phil. I used to work at Harbor Freight (in the warehouse) and there's NO WAY I would recommend ANYTHING from Harbor Freight. Either it be a floor jack to a pencil. NOTHING. As we were unloading the product off the Chinese trucks they (the workers) would toss the product around like it was nothing. If the product got damaged no one cared. The products that Harbor Freight offer are garbage. Chinese junk. You have to buy 2 car jacks for one job because one WILL break. Harbor Freight, yuck.

Be that as it may, I have 4 of them and they are spot on. Bought the first one years ago for $10. I think I paid $3 on sale for the last. They are so handy I consider it some of the best money I've ever spent.

[rspenc]

I'm new here. I had a car die, not a s2000. Stopped dead in it's tracks. It was the catalytic converter. Just a idea.

[mdjice]

Ok the shop called me and said that 2 coils caught on fire and melted...he said it won't be bad if he can take them out without taking the head but right now they are stuck....

[XenoGears]

Originally Posted by philiam

Be that as it may, I have 4 of them and they are spot on. Bought the first one years ago for $10. I think I paid $3 on sale for the last. They are so handy I consider it some of the best money I've ever spent.

You sure you didn't get them at Home Depot? Or Ace?

[mdjice]

ok...2 ignition coils melted, parts and labors $385....(((

[H20]

Originally Posted by mdjice

ok...2 ignition coils melted, parts and labors $385....(((

Is it fixed?

[philiam]

Now you know the effect, but what was the cause? I don't think this is typical.

[RayYay]

Originally Posted by XenoGears

I'm sorry Phil. I used to work at Harbor Freight (in the warehouse) and there's NO WAY I would recommend ANYTHING from Harbor Freight. Either it be a floor jack to a pencil. NOTHING. As we were unloading the product off the Chinese trucks they (the workers) would toss the product around like it was nothing. If the product got damaged no one cared. The products that Harbor Freight offer are garbage. Chinese junk. You have to buy 2 car jacks for one job because one WILL break. Harbor Freight, yuck.

FINALLY! Someone who agrees that Harbor Freight is pure garbage. People have called me an idiot for buying my tools at Home Depot and paying almost double than Harbor Freight, but you get what you pay for.

I have only bought 2 things from HF but both products broke. The shaft on my screwdriver completely snapped in half just by dropping it on the concrete. How many screwdrivers do you know break just by dropping it on the ground?? Also bought an electric drill/flashlight set. Wow what a POS, damn battery doesnt even stay charged.

Some of you guys may have had good luck with them, but I am done with them

[jagg]

I don't think this is typical.

ain't that the truth Phil........it must have been missin' like a dog before it stopped running.

[philiam]

Originally Posted by jagg

ain't that the truth Phil........it must have been missin' like a dog before it stopped running.

Who let the dog out? Must have a big electrical problem. Bad ground? Alternator?

[TheCarGuy2021]

Originally Posted by philiam

Now you know the effect, but what was the cause? I don't think this is typical.

My thoughts exactly. What spark plugs were you using?

It takes a hell of a lot of heat to melt the coils.

Was your water temperature normal?

[mdjice]

well bad news.... the mech called me and said tat the I had a bent valve head and the car has no compression and is running on only 3 cylinders... $995 to pull the head plus the $385 of repairs for the coils...over $1350 of repairs to get it running again....can't do it i juts bought the car...I'm about to call the seller who is a friend and talk to him about it because it's NOT normal....

[lonestarbuzz]

i would be surprised if the seller knew this was going on.

[philiam]

Over revved, miss shift.

[TheCarGuy2021]

$995 to pull the head?

Is he charging $500/hour?

[TheCarGuy2021]

Phil and lonestar have the right idea.

[S2KCRick]

Originally Posted by mdjice

well bad news.... the mech called me and said tat the I had a bent valve head and the car has no compression and is running on only 3 cylinders... $995 to pull the head plus the $385 of repairs for the coils...over $1350 of repairs to get it running again....can't do it i juts bought the car...I'm about to call the seller who is a friend and talk to him about it because it's NOT normal....

Running on 3 cylinders??? Dude I think you wouldve noticed it running rough and gettn horrible mileage.

[mdjice]

Ok so to make things clearer:

I was not runing on 3 cylinders , NOW the car starts and run but only on 3 cylinders, The third cylinder has NO pressure, ZERO . He says that he looked with a cam and the valve head is bent so the piston doesn't move.
he said the head needs to be resurface, parts, labor and machine shop would come up to around $900, do you guys know anybody who can fix it for cheaper?
Also I did not over reved or miss shifted at all in the 2 weeks I ve had it (I'm from paris and all we drive are manual cars, my first car was a boosted Peugot 205 GTI, I'm used to drive cars twice more powerful with no problem) So nothing crazy, maybe the Previous owner?

[philiam]

"valve head is bent so the piston doesn't move."
That doesn't compute. I doubt a bent valve would fry the coils on 2 cylinders.
I don't know how to bend a valve, other than making contact with the piston. Not sure how the valve would warp the head.