How should I go about installing CR lip

[Honda007]

Does anyone have any info or howto links on how to install the CR lip? I don't have much time to look at this moment, but plan to attempt to install it later today.

[Java Junky]

Aaay Bond!
So yer doon'a lip eh? I'm sure some'a these computer-typez'll have the info yuh need. This Neanderthal certainly don't.
Good luck with it.

[MutantCheese]

If it's anything like the OEM lip, it's not that bad, just be careful when you first line it up and pull the doublesided tape tabs off. Once it's suck, it's not moving. The bottom should bolt right up to the existing bolt holes with the supplied longer hardware.

[Honda007]

It's not like the OEM lip, its got about 19 bolt mounts no tape for the CR. Anyone know of a DIY?

[MutantCheese]

Well in that case, It's easier than the OEM lip. The tape is a pain.

[gomarlins3]

Originally Posted by Honda007

It's not like the OEM lip, its got about 19 bolt mounts no tape for the CR. Anyone know of a DIY?

I did a search on S2ki and also on HTG's site (he sells them so I thought he might have the instructions posted), but came up empty on both sites, sorry.

[Honda007]

Yea, I just checked those I got nothing too. Moma Honda is probably just gonna order a CR bumper if I go there, I'm willing to do it myself but I'm hoping to get some tips, before I start drilling.

[MutantCheese]

http://s2000.com/forums/88441-post13.html

Update: Just finished installing the CR front spoiler on my AP2 bumper. Installation went rather smoothly. For those interested in this here is the parts list needed to take on the task.

Spoiler (Chin): Choose one of the following. If having to paint to match, the black spoiler has a black rubber seal whereas white and yellow colors have light grey.
71110-S2A-A00ZA Apex Blue Pearl
71110-S2A-A00ZB Berlina Black
71110-S2A-A00ZC Grand Prix White
71110-S2A-A00ZD Rio Yellow Pearl


Here is a list of the parts that will be needed to fasten:
8 Pcs. of 90140-SD9-000 -- Bolts that through the bumper to the chin
3 Pcs. of 90192-SG0-003 -- Bolts for underneath (Long step, middle 3)
4 Pcs. 90501-SM4-003 -- Bolts for underneath (Short step, outside 4)
5 Pcs. 90222-S04-003 -- Nuts for underneath
2 Pcs. 90306-SF1-000 -- Clip nuts for underneath
4 Pcs. 90103-TA0-000 -- Screws to fasten the spoiler to the back of the bumper (wheel wells)
4 Pcs. 90331-S3Y-003 -- Spring nuts for the screws above

The only difficulty with attaching the spoiler to the bumper is that 8 holes do need to be drilled for the bolts to go through the backside of the bumper and connect to the spoiler. The CR front bumper assembly has the holes in it already but for the standard S2000 AP2 bumper it will require drilling 3/8" holes. To determine the location for the holes in the bumper to match up with the spoiler we dry-fitted the spoiler to the bumper and carefully marked each location on the bumper with a pen that corresponded with the nut location on the spoiler.

[Honda007]

Thanks, Your the Cheeziest

[MutantCheese]

That's what they tell me

[gomarlins3]

That's sad, I didn't even think to search on this site. Shame on me.

[MutantCheese]

This site has a great deal of wealth in facts and DIYs for th S, and it's a heck of a lot easier to search than s2ki.com.

[Java Junky]

Geez Cheeze!
A very considerate'n thorough bloke'izz our Cheeze.

[Honda007]

It was enough info. to get me to start it. It went pretty smoothly up until those 8 afforementioned bolts. I'm still stuck on those, takin a quick meal break.

[Honda007]

I decided to call it a day, and do some more research. I didn't want to wing it because I'm bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my cars.
Found this interesting from http://9000ftw.blogspot.com/2009/05/...-facelift.html :
"Now, my theory is that the CR lip produces so much downforce, that it needs eight more bolts that must be drilled through the front of the bumper to hold it securely in place. Except this AP2 bumper (off a MY2004) didn't have these holes, obviously. I tried my best to dry fit the lip on, and using this MacGyver technique. That is, I placed a bit of chewing gum inside the nut of the CR lip then pressed it against the bumper so it would leave a small saliva imprint exactly where the holes should be drilled. It took me about two hours to drill 7 of 9 holes. Then as I was taking a break, I noticed that on the backside of the bumper, there are small, slight X-shaped depressions in the bumper that corresponded perfectly to where the holes should be drilled. Drilling the next two holes took 15 seconds. Gahhhhh! OMGWTFBBQ!!!"
My MY2004 unfortunately did'nt have these little X depressions or any indication of where I should drill, so I'm gonna have to pull a MacGyver of my own. I plan on cutting cotton swabs, dip them in a bit of ink, and shove them in the lip spoiler's 8 front mounting bolts. When I dry mount the lip spoiler it should mark where I need to drill. Hopefully all my posting will help someone else who wants to add the downforce benefits of the CR lip.

[Java Junky]

'Small piece'a double-sided tape, the side of the tape bein' affixed't the part whut'z already got the holez, you compromise the adhesive by stickin' yer thumb'r somethin' to it so that that side'a the tape'z'nott'z sticky. 'Couple'a three timez on yer wrist'r back'a the hand should lessen itt'z stickiness.
Leave the other side'a the tape clean so it sticks real good. If ya kin gedd'itt so that the partz make contact in those spotz when mated together, when yuh pull the part'z apart, the tape should still be stuck'ta the spot where the hole'z godda be drilled.
N' not fer nothin' . . ain'itt jus' the way'a thingz'att we only finally get the process down when we get to the last one?

[Honda007]

LOL, its true. I tried the double sided tape, didnt work to well because the bolt mounts are a bit recessesed I got like two of them to stick and the're not even in the right place, Pain in the @$$ by yourself. Im gonna see if I can't get somebody to give me a hand with it tommorow.

[Jessa1200]

you taking any pictures to show your process? I'd like to see some if you have or at least some of what you have left if possible then the end result.

[Java Junky]

Build up the depressionz with the necessary layerz'a duct tape (small so they don't extend past the depression'n keep anything from makin' contact) 'n put the double-faced on topp'a that?

[Swingle1]

Are you doing this primarily for the look, or are you going for performance?

Once you get 'er strapped on, it'll be interesting to get your opinion on the difference it makes.

[Honda007]

I took a few pictures, nothing really worth while, I will take a few more pictures when I start to Drill later today. Java, not a bad idea with the duct tape and all I didn't really give it much more thought, Maybe ill just use Two pieces of double sided instead of just one. I'm doing it for the balance of aerodynamics, I bought the CR rear spoiler in carbon fiber because of its supposed aero performance. The CR lip isn't as bad in person, it looks more dramatic in pictures. I'm not sure if I'm gonna definintely mount it today because I'm lacking those 8 bolts. (they are around $40 dollars for just those bolts, part #90140-SD9-000)

[Swingle1]

Originally Posted by Honda007

I'm doing it for the balance of aerodynamics, I bought the CR rear spoiler in carbon fiber because of its supposed aero performance. The CR lip isn't as bad in person, it looks more dramatic in pictures.

Oh got it. Didn't realize you'd already done the wing.

I got to see a CR up close recently. I thought the lip was more dramatic than what I'd thought from pics. Maybe it was just bigger than I'd thought.

I don't think I'd do it just for the look... but I'm really interested to hear how much of a difference it makes performance-wise.

[Honda007]

I order 2 of the 8 bolts and thier going to take a week to come in. Once they come in I'll find similar bolts on my own. Since I got to wait a week I decided to pull off the front bumper to get painted, I've been waiting for a guy I know to do it, and now is a perfect time to get it done. I need to look for some DIY for that now, and I'll take some pictures on my lip mounting procedure once I start pulling things off. BTW Java the double sided tape=not working to well. There where several reasons why (mostly my haste), Maybe I'll write up a DIY on the CR lip mounting procedure when everything is done?

[Cop Magnet S2K]

As someone else who has installed a CR lip on my AP2 bumper I will say that the toughest part of the whole process was marking the hole location prior to drilling on the bumper to accept the 8 bolts that hold it on. The middle four bolts aren't that difficult as I was able to mark the center point and drill slightly down from the center point on the middle part on the bumper. The 4 outside bolts were the more difficult to mark as they are further up on the bumper. I like the chewing gum and q-tip idea you mentioned. I found success in marking with a felt pen the point just under the recessed bolt receptical and after a long time wondering if I had it correct (being the perfectionist I am) I drilled. The nice thing about things being plastic and all is that there is some forgiveness if off by a little. Hope all goes smoothly. Be sure to post pics when complete.

The price Honda charges for the mounting hardware is ridiculous! It especially hurts when not having a parts list and using the parts diagrams for the CR and OEM lips to figure out all the bolts needed and making a mistake. That said I do have extras of 90192-SG0-003 -- Bolts for underneath (Long step, middle 3). If you don't already have these I would be happy to send to you free of charge.

[Honda007]

It is ridiculous they charge $40 for 8 bolts, I do have a bolts that will work for the underside, The offer is much appreciated though. Thank you.
Honda007

[SRR]

Originally Posted by Honda007

"Now, my theory is that the CR lip produces so much downforce, that it needs eight more bolts that must be drilled through the front of the bumper to hold it securely in place.

ive had the CR front bumper n lip almost 5 months now.. and i can tell u that you will notice the front downforce at high speeds.... if u dont have a rear spoiler the tail end gets very happy... i am looking into getting a wing for the rear of my S just to balance it out

[Honda007]

So I've gotten my bumpers back, and finally got around to installing everything on Thursday, I've got no pictures of it mounted yet, (soon to come). I took no pictures, of my process as I was too eager to my S back together and drive but if anybody is interested in mounting their own I would be willing to give some tips or write up a DIY.

[Java Junky]

Mr. Bond, itt soundz like yer pleased with yer resultz.
'Nodd'att all surprised, but very glad't hear.
'Lookin' forward'ta yer flickz.

(Now . . 'z'att mean'att Stewie'z chin'z gonna get'ta the parkin' bumper even sooner?)

[Honda007]

Ill get around to pictures once its stops raining here in Jersey. Hopefully not, I'm pretty used to how long the nose is on the S.

[Java Junky]

'Lessee now, for the past two weekz we've had . . what? Two dayz without rain'n some sunshine?
N' now what? We've godda'nutha week whut lookz like boomerz every day?
This keepz up Mr. Bond'n we're gonna be fittin' Stewie fer floatation tirez.

[Honda007]

LOL, amphibious, my Lotus Espirit was, had missiles too. lol

[Honda007]

After a quick wash I finally got around to taking pictures of my CR lip.

[RL1924]

Didn't know you were from jersey 007.. where about?

[Honda007]

Northern NJ, Near Wayne. You? I've been looking for a NJ S2 weekly meet.

[RL1924]

Originally Posted by Honda007

Northern NJ, Near Wayne. You? I've been looking for a NJ S2 weekly meet.

Not far from you at all Montvale... Theres a meet this wends in Wayne, and there is one every other wednesday 9pm, sometimes Paramus some times out a little more west, sometimes south, but normally around the Paramus Wayne area. First one I went to was about 30ish s2000 bunch of nice guys as long as its nice out there will be good turnouts.


This weeks meet...
9pm
Starbucks
1606 Route 23 North
Wayne, NJ 07470

[Honda007]

Cool, unfortunately I can't make Wednesdays, but if I have an open one Ill definitely go.

[RL1924]

Ya you should join up over on s2ki, and check out the metro section most of northern NJ and NYC and LI

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showforum=61

[desmo4]

Originally Posted by Honda007

Cool, unfortunately I can't make Wednesdays, but if I have an open one Ill definitely go.

Check out S2kCA for the Gettysburg meet. I will be one of the best gatherings in the US. To give you an idea of how much fun it is, they have room for 40 and over 90 people are singed up.

Jonathan

[indyS2]

Originally Posted by Honda007

After a quick wash I finally got around to taking pictures of my CR lip.

Awsome! Any more details on the install?

[Honda007]

Here's a quick DIY I wrote for Indy, It's far from perfect but may help, feel free to add something I may have forgotten or is unclear:
What I recommend you do is take down the center splash guard first. Unclip the side splash guards, but its not neccesary to completely remove them. I highly recommend taking the bumper off. There is a DIY somewhere on this forum, I can post it later if necessary. Its much easier to mark the drilling points and its easier to align the lip with the bumper, especially if you don't have an extra set of hands like me. Before you start to drill check the back of the bumper, I've read that MY04 has small X marks on the back marking the exact drill points for the CR lip. This was not the case for me, however if yours has them obviously drill from the rear on those points. Mark the bumper with the double sided tape. What I did was mark the metal tabs that are on the CR lip around the bolt points wth Dry Erase Marker. Then I put the double sided tape on the tabs. The Dry erase marker prevents the double sided tape from sticking on the tabs too well, and helps locate the exact drill points. Then line up the lip with the bumper, and prop up the bumper if necessary to get the desired lip location. Take your time on lining up the lip with the bumper. After everything is lined up and in place, remove the lip and start drilling starting with a small bit. After all 10 or 12 bolts holes are drilled, line up the lip too make sure it all lines up. If it does, go up to a bit that is similiar size to the bolts, I forget what size it was that I used. Then bolt up the lip to the bumper and put the bumper on.