Turbo or Supercharger?? - Page 3

Hi_Psi · 03-22-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver_06_S2k

I think i've decided on turbo as my choice for boost. Anyone know what the best kit, and anyone know of any good wrench shops in southern cali that will install?

turbo-kits.com has a great turbo kit for your car. as you can see this is my first post so i have made research for bolt ons. i am in the market to buy a s2000 sometime soon. i will keep it stock for a while but plan big things for this car. fully built motor and head, and with a gt35, 1600cc injectors and aem, hopefully somewhere in the 550-600whp area with a clutch to handle the tq. for those with the "BLOW-OFF VALVE SOUND" lovers, if you want a loud high pitch release, greddy type s or hks ssqv, but i will be going with either a tial or a hks racing, sputtery noise, sounds like a turkey sometimes. lol.

jackson38119 · 06-12-2007, 08:17 PM

I was looking into a sc but they are so dam expensive is there any better deal than the comptech or vortec

s2kx2 · 06-14-2007, 10:32 PM

Both will shorten the lifespan of your engine. After talking to Steve at Makestar Honda he releated to me that they are replacing another S2000 engine after a Comptech supercharger starved the engine of oil. In my opinion don't waste your money for the minimal gain in off the line performance.

bobby2002S2K · 06-15-2007, 01:03 PM

HE got banned?

karnito · 10-14-2007, 05:58 PM

Just added the Greddy turbo kit onto my car. It is a plug and play system, but for sure I'm going to need some tunning done to make it runs perfectly with the car!

More about this installation here on www.S2KCA.com
http://forums.s2kca.com/showthread.php?t=18084

s2000isu · 10-14-2007, 06:14 PM

Lookin good. As far as turbos go I dont think you can beat the greddy kit price wise.

karnito · 10-14-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by s2000isu

Lookin good. As far as turbos go I dont think you can beat the greddy kit price wise.

yes. It has came down on price since introduction. But you may get carry away and add more stuffs onto what is not already supplied with the kit like; BOV, Oill Cooler, Boost control, and Turbo Timer. Yes, overall it is a very good buy and the quality is top notch

gomarlins3 · 10-14-2007, 07:55 PM

Congrats. Looks good.

karnito · 10-14-2007, 08:14 PM

Thanks marlins

Java Junky · 10-15-2007, 02:46 AM

I was wonderin' where you've been n' what you've been up to 'nito. 'Looks like you're gonna be out havin' some serious fun. 'Nice, clean job.
Now all'ya goddadoo is keep it oud'a the high grass.
Be well.
Java

karnito · 10-15-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Java Junky

I was wonderin' where you've been n' what you've been up to 'nito. 'Looks like you're gonna be out havin' some serious fun. 'Nice, clean job.
Now all'ya goddadoo is keep it oud'a the high grass.
Be well.
Java

Thanks Java.

I have always been here.

Yeah, the kit is very nice and clean. It need to be tuned, and that is what I'm going to do for this week. Track day is in 3 weeks

Tee-Dub · 10-15-2007, 10:29 PM

Did you pay to have it installed? If so, what was the total hours required and total bill for installation?

karnito · 10-15-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tee-Dub

Did you pay to have it installed? If so, what was the total hours required and total bill for installation?

Yes. I paid $700 to a well known shop to installed the kit. It took a total of 2 days to be exact.

bobby2002S2K · 10-16-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by karnito

Just added the Greddy turbo kit onto my car. It is a plug and play system, but for sure I'm going to need some tunning done to make it runs perfectly with the car!

More about this installation here on www.S2KCA.com
http://forums.s2kca.com/showthread.php?t=18084

Hey did you every get the redline fixed from 7g? What was the problem?

BoostedAP1 · 10-16-2007, 01:17 PM

I love both but hp wise turbo all the way. Lets not try to put performance and reliability in the same sentence.

karnito · 10-17-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bobby2002S2K

Hey did you every get the redline fixed from 7g? What was the problem?

Yes I did this morning. The problem was the software that came with the e-manage. Contacted GReddy and they email me the updated MAP and e-manage software to upload the new MAP. Sure enough, rev all the way to 9k after that. The new MAP also cured the stalling problem at idle. Pretty easy, and cool, the upload process took about 45 seconds.

Tee-Dub · 10-19-2007, 12:01 AM

How much money did you have to spend above and beyond the kit to get what you "need"? Is the Greddy ready to run? I'm debating on SC vs. Turbo. I need to get over to Horsepower Freaks in Portland and start asking questions I guess!

karnito · 10-19-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tee-Dub

How much money did you have to spend above and beyond the kit to get what you "need"? Is the Greddy ready to run? I'm debating on SC vs. Turbo. I need to get over to Horsepower Freaks in Portland and start asking questions I guess!

My car is running perfect at the moment, but I'm not happy with the dyno figure yet, so I have to spend more then expected.

Bolt on GReddy kit will get you an instant gratification without a doubt, but then you are going to want more once the short honey moon is over, and here are the break down for you. So choose wisely... and remember that the turbo is capable of 21 lbs of boost and tunning is required beyond 7.5 lbs, and that is where it can get very expensive..

Bolt on and be happy with it. Where I was.

GReddy kit $4,050.00
Installation $700.00
Dyno $100

Total $4,850.00

Xtra stuffs that you would want to obtain 300 HP plus at the wheels. Where I am.

GReddy BOV installed $280
GReddy turbo timer $125
Thermal wrapping $150
GReddy SUS EVO2 exhaust $1,300
GReddy oil cooler installed $600
Test pipe installed $100
GReddy boost control $500
GReddy boost gauge $120

Total $3,175.00

If a SC system can get you 300 hp at the wheel for less then go for it. Or do the turbo kit and upgrade moderately and slowly...

Tee-Dub · 10-19-2007, 11:02 AM

Vortec claims 358hp with their SC kit, which would probably be a tad over 300hp at the wheels. I guess if you want more power for a daily driver, then the SC is the way to go? Seems if you wanted to build your motor to handle mucho boost and make big hp then the turbo is a good place to start.

karnito · 10-19-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tee-Dub

Vortec claims 358hp with their SC kit, which would probably be a tad over 300hp at the wheels. I guess if you want more power for a daily driver, then the SC is the way to go? Seems if you wanted to build your motor to handle mucho boost and make big hp then the turbo is a good place to start.

Do check with fello S2K with SC setup for real feedback and HP figures.

On my turbo setup I feel trememndous torque & power increase right after @ 4000 rpm all the way to vtec, then it slowdown a bit then goes to redline.

I still have to do some more adjustment to make the whole operation running smoothly

Will update more in a week when the new exhaust is installed.

Tee-Dub · 10-19-2007, 12:13 PM

Coolio. I bet the exhaust will make a big difference with the forced induction. I wouldn't bother getting it tuned before the exhaust. It will probably put you back to square one and require new mapping. At least thats how it is with sportbikes and thats where I came from to the S2000.

s2000isu · 10-19-2007, 02:16 PM

I think most people average around 300 whp with the vortech kit depending on temp altitude and so on. I havent gotten mine dynoed yet. I am all about turbos but for what I will use the car for the sc is perfect for me.

karnito · 10-19-2007, 03:22 PM

Yeap. Turbo is a much different animal.. I have to learn how to drive my car all over again; especially, clutch modulation and throttle. hmmmm...

playingmilitary · 09-27-2008, 10:10 AM

this is a battle that nobody will ever really win. what it all comes down to is personal preferance (i cant spell just warning everybody). i am going to go supercharger even though all my friends say turbo. they all own evos and the such but there always down needing to fix the tune or they broke something. i just want to have some power and not need to do that every time the weather changes. plus you know about the turbo bug " man mi car is running great i am going to turn up the boost" month laterit goes up agian and agian and agian till blown engine. seen it alot. i wan to bolt it on and forget about it.

sk2boosted · 10-04-2008, 03:47 PM

i personally prefer turbo but its also to the point on the type of driving you want, the power your aiming for, and relability you want.. good luck with your choice

davemedsker · 10-13-2008, 04:19 PM

Here are a couple of thoughts.
Turbo charging sounds better, is more elite, more european.
Supercharging has an annoying whine instead of a scream, is more american and typically comes on earlier in the rpm range.
I prefer turbos, however i have a friend with a turbo S2000 and it spins tires at 6500 rpm almost always, even at 90 miles per hour. this can be detuned, i understand, but in the end for every day tractable driving i think the supercharging makes more sense, it's also easier tech and install wise, and you can keep your cool headers.
IMHO

Mondo · 11-01-2008, 02:08 AM

I have a friend with a Kraftswerks and it's really quiet.. and fast

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10-14-2007, 06:14 PM	#86 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,177	Lookin good. As far as turbos go I dont think you can beat the greddy kit price wise. __________________ S2kx2: "paint it pink! Or better yet buy a Miata" 2001 Vortech SC 12.8 at 111 miles per hour

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gomarlins3 "Enjoy the drive" Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kuna Idaho Posts: 2,813	Congrats. Looks good. __________________ Yablownowitz Racing brought to you by Anytime Fitness. Happiness is a nice road, great weather, and driving the S with Sue in the seat next to me. "Whatever you do, where ever you go, enjoy the drive." I know for a FACT that the last year of production of the S2000 is 2003!!!!! After that, it will be the S2200 under an assumed name.

10-15-2007, 02:46 AM	#90 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 5,432	I was wonderin' where you've been n' what you've been up to 'nito. 'Looks like you're gonna be out havin' some serious fun. 'Nice, clean job. Now all'ya goddadoo is keep it oud'a the high grass. Be well. Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

10-19-2007, 02:16 PM	#102 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,177	I think most people average around 300 whp with the vortech kit depending on temp altitude and so on. I havent gotten mine dynoed yet. I am all about turbos but for what I will use the car for the sc is perfect for me. __________________ S2kx2: "paint it pink! Or better yet buy a Miata" 2001 Vortech SC 12.8 at 111 miles per hour

06-12-2007, 08:17 PM	#82 (permalink)
jackson38119 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 13	I was looking into a sc but they are so dam expensive is there any better deal than the comptech or vortec

06-14-2007, 10:32 PM	#83 (permalink)
s2kx2 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 390	Both will shorten the lifespan of your engine. After talking to Steve at Makestar Honda he releated to me that they are replacing another S2000 engine after a Comptech supercharger starved the engine of oil. In my opinion don't waste your money for the minimal gain in off the line performance.

10-14-2007, 05:58 PM	#85 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 250	Just added the Greddy turbo kit onto my car. It is a plug and play system, but for sure I'm going to need some tunning done to make it runs perfectly with the car! More about this installation here on www.S2KCA.com http://forums.s2kca.com/showthread.php?t=18084

10-14-2007, 08:14 PM	#89 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 250	Thanks marlins

10-15-2007, 10:29 PM	#92 (permalink)
Tee-Dub Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54	Did you pay to have it installed? If so, what was the total hours required and total bill for installation?

10-16-2007, 01:17 PM	#95 (permalink)
BoostedAP1 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 50	I love both but hp wise turbo all the way. Lets not try to put performance and reliability in the same sentence.

10-19-2007, 12:01 AM	#97 (permalink)
Tee-Dub Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54	How much money did you have to spend above and beyond the kit to get what you "need"? Is the Greddy ready to run? I'm debating on SC vs. Turbo. I need to get over to Horsepower Freaks in Portland and start asking questions I guess!

10-19-2007, 11:02 AM	#99 (permalink)
Tee-Dub Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54	Vortec claims 358hp with their SC kit, which would probably be a tad over 300hp at the wheels. I guess if you want more power for a daily driver, then the SC is the way to go? Seems if you wanted to build your motor to handle mucho boost and make big hp then the turbo is a good place to start.

10-19-2007, 12:13 PM	#101 (permalink)
Tee-Dub Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54	Coolio. I bet the exhaust will make a big difference with the forced induction. I wouldn't bother getting it tuned before the exhaust. It will probably put you back to square one and require new mapping. At least thats how it is with sportbikes and thats where I came from to the S2000.

10-19-2007, 03:22 PM	#103 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 250	Yeap. Turbo is a much different animal.. I have to learn how to drive my car all over again; especially, clutch modulation and throttle. hmmmm...

09-27-2008, 10:10 AM	#104 (permalink)
playingmilitary poor coasty Join Date: May 2008 Location: panama city flordia tell the coast guard sends me some were new. Posts: 63	the war rages on this is a battle that nobody will ever really win. what it all comes down to is personal preferance (i cant spell just warning everybody). i am going to go supercharger even though all my friends say turbo. they all own evos and the such but there always down needing to fix the tune or they broke something. i just want to have some power and not need to do that every time the weather changes. plus you know about the turbo bug " man mi car is running great i am going to turn up the boost" month laterit goes up agian and agian and agian till blown engine. seen it alot. i wan to bolt it on and forget about it.

10-04-2008, 03:47 PM	#105 (permalink)
sk2boosted Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 19	i personally prefer turbo but its also to the point on the type of driving you want, the power your aiming for, and relability you want.. good luck with your choice

10-13-2008, 04:19 PM	#106 (permalink)
davemedsker needs both lanes Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: las vegas Posts: 15	Here are a couple of thoughts. Turbo charging sounds better, is more elite, more european. Supercharging has an annoying whine instead of a scream, is more american and typically comes on earlier in the rpm range. I prefer turbos, however i have a friend with a turbo S2000 and it spins tires at 6500 rpm almost always, even at 90 miles per hour. this can be detuned, i understand, but in the end for every day tractable driving i think the supercharging makes more sense, it's also easier tech and install wise, and you can keep your cool headers. IMHO

11-01-2008, 02:08 AM	#107 (permalink)
Mondo Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 8	I have a friend with a Kraftswerks and it's really quiet.. and fast