Turbo or Supercharger??

chemical · 11-08-2006, 06:10 PM

what do you guys think?? im a lil confused. one of my friends says turbo is better and other s2000 owners put a supercharger in them. whats better?

pecetrn · 11-08-2006, 07:06 PM

super charger; from what i hear the turbo is harder on your engine, cuts miles off your life much faster than the SC

karnito · 11-08-2006, 10:53 PM

I would like to have the turbo charge; it is more fun, but as far as maintenant goes I am sticking the Supercharger.

s2000isu · 11-09-2006, 09:55 AM

I prefer turbos myself since the last motor I built was a turbo motor butttttttttttt on a nice car like the s2000 that you want to keep nice the supercharger seems like the best way to go

gomarlins3 · 11-09-2006, 11:15 AM

Both are nice. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

Halo · 11-09-2006, 11:46 AM

^^^^^^^^^^ What he said.

chemical · 11-09-2006, 06:38 PM

well the only reason i think i would get aturbo would be to get ab blow off valve and yes i know you can put one on a super charger too but my friend said theres more to do to a turbo car

Halo · 11-09-2006, 06:43 PM

Yep. No better reason to have a tubro than to have the 133t BOV sound. I hear the SRT4 community calling!

chemical · 11-09-2006, 07:13 PM

great

now im lost lolz but what you guys dont like the BOV sound?? or you guys prefer the winde up sound??

s2000isu · 11-09-2006, 08:51 PM

I think he was mocking the 16 year olds with their srt4's that blow off every chance they get cause theyre awesome and love the sound. I also like the bov howver I do not like it when someone blows off just from revving their car infact I cant wait to see one of them spin a bearing or something along those lines when revving the bejebus outa it at a light. Oh and if your car blows off from revving your turbo is to small bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. If he didnt meen that then I do.

chemical · 11-09-2006, 11:41 PM

oh ok but dont trip if i get a turbo ill make sure its big ok i wont spen money for no reason. lolz

gomarlins3 · 11-10-2006, 09:02 AM

When you get your turbo, I want pictures with you F20/22/whatever engine it is attached to.

fexterz · 11-10-2006, 04:51 PM

i have a comptech/paxton SC.. =) in my f20

s2000isu · 11-10-2006, 05:00 PM

a few posts ago didnt you say chemical could beat yours? wow his na s2000 is smashing on supercharged s2000 pretty impressive.

fexterz · 11-10-2006, 05:49 PM

youa re wrong. i have a 02 WRX.. and he beat me with that one cuz i messed up on the lauch ( not trying to make up an excuse) and now i have a s2k SC. i havent even taken it out to the streets yet.

chemical · 11-10-2006, 11:05 PM

i cant wait to see how my car does against that fexter lolz

mugens2k · 11-11-2006, 03:04 PM

supercharge your car if u drive alot, but i prefer turbo. i dont drive my s2k everyday. i use it for the track.

Turbojunkie · 11-12-2006, 08:41 AM

turbo> supercharger any day of the week.

karnito · 11-12-2006, 09:54 AM

Everyone is correct and the differs is technical, or when you want that extra HP to be delivered onto the pavement. Turbo will take a tad longer then the supercharger ( it would be a biach during a mid corner excursion then the turbo kicked in ), but then the supercharger will max out faster then the turbo. Conceptually both applications are ideals for the s2k due to the higher RMP; more exhaust for the turbo and more rotation for the supercharger. But the draw back is the higher compression ratio of the engine itself will limit the amount of boost to be delivered into the combustion chamber ( i'm not going to get into the other potential mechanical issues right now ). To date 7 psi is ideal for the S2K. Supercharger kit will come with that set up and the turbo kit BO valve also set for that as well. Both can be modified further to increase boost, but turbo will have several more parameters advantage over the supercharger & much easier. Both installtions are equally painful and complicated since the S2K is not meant for neither. But if anything to brake the ties are the price and easthetic. A complete turbo kit is $1,500 cheaper then supercharger kit, and the supercharge kit will retain your upgrade headers

Niether one will add several extra envy factors onto your S2K

Are ya'll ready?

Turbojunkie · 11-12-2006, 06:02 PM

depending on the size of the turbo on the application, the RPMs of the engine entering the curve there WILL be boost. Like I said though it all depends on the size.

LanceVance · 11-13-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomarlins3

When you get your turbo, I want pictures with you F20/22/whatever engine it is attached to.

Preferibly taken during the install.

mugens2k · 11-13-2006, 05:58 PM

turbo makes better noise, usually nube
likes the blowoff valve, but when your in a turbo car, its loud enough

trust me chicks dont like the whistle noise

fexterz · 11-13-2006, 07:40 PM

well i have both and i like them both. As you guys said, turbo is less complicated and you can unleash more power but it will not react untill needed air hit right compression ( unless is an srt SLOW... i mean srt4, whooops

) so far all the times that i have taken the S2K out for a spin i have been amused on the power i have felt with the centrifugal supercharger. i will not judge none of them, i dont have the right to but i will say that they both are great. By different threads i have heard that SC its been more efficient that turbos in S2Ks

mugens2k · 11-13-2006, 08:59 PM

turbo is more complicated, maintenance

super is less compliacated

Duke of Cruel · 11-14-2006, 11:03 AM

Turbocharger is far more eficient. you get much more torque and hp.
It also develop less heat, and that of to reasons, it only create boost when you need it, and it doesent beat the air. The down side is turbo lag, the larger the turbo the more lag. And turbo is more reliable than the supercharger, especially on high rpm engines cuz of the belt.
Put a small ball bearing turbo on your s2000 and you will fly, but the cost is higher. I am going for cams though, because, there is a lot to gain in that rpm range, i had a rally car in 93, that was a 2.0 with tb´s and the lot, but i put out 283 hp at 7750, and had a very flat torque querve with over 200 pounds starting fron 4600. iI bought it used and raced it for at least 20000 miles with regular maintenence. It was the legendary v20xe opel engine in a 79´ ascona.

DoC

MattG · 11-14-2006, 08:19 PM

In summary...

Supercharger kit - low initial cost, simple install, lack of high end upgrade path. CARB approval.

Turbo kit - generally higher cost (require ecu + dyno tuning etc), install generally takes longer (eg intercooler, exhaust dump pipe etc), often easier to upgrade. Unsure of any turbo kits with carb approval, but I think most fail due to standalone ECU?

mugens2k · 11-14-2006, 11:25 PM

turbo @&#^ up your engine bay, it makes it look more boky

gomarlins3 · 11-15-2006, 01:26 PM

O.K., I know I am just an 'old, white guy' as you put it, but I have to know, what is "boky"?

LanceVance · 11-15-2006, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomarlins3

O.K., I know I am just an 'old, white guy' as you put it, but I have to know, what is "boky"?

Im 20, and well..white too, but im confused as well

karnito · 11-15-2006, 02:39 PM

I think he meant bulky. No offense to you mugens2k.

karnito · 11-15-2006, 02:44 PM

If SC and I will, I think am going to buy the comptech kit since it has a nice CF airbox cover. And there is a SC s2k project on october issue of Honda Tuning by using the vortech kit. Check it out.

s2000isu · 11-15-2006, 03:55 PM

turbos are the same size as superchargers...........

karnito · 11-15-2006, 04:18 PM

Are you sure ? It seem to me that the compressor of the SC is much larger then that of the turbo because SC running at a lesser RPM so larger size make up for the difference.

mugens2k · 11-15-2006, 04:27 PM

none taken, yeah i didn't know how bulky. but all those space in your engine, is going to be replaced by the turbo set up and ****. intercooler, turbo, and and a whole lot of stuff is added and replaced. ill show u guys a picture

mugens2k · 11-15-2006, 04:33 PM

see wat i mean

s2000isu · 11-15-2006, 04:40 PM

superchargers and turbos can be the same size or a turbo can be larger or a supercharger can be larger. The s2000 kits ive seen theyre both close to the same size. With a turbo you will need a different manifold then stock but thats the only thing that could make it more cluttered. a front mount is not needed with low boost. really a supercharged and turbo are the same thing

mugens2k · 11-15-2006, 04:44 PM

nooooooooooooooooo their not

s2000isu · 11-15-2006, 04:46 PM

well only 1 of those was a s2000 and it looked like a homemade setup this is a nice setup nice and simple

and here is the supercharger kit even more

s2000isu · 11-15-2006, 04:48 PM

one is belt driven the other is driven by exhaust gasses I kind of assumed you guys knew that. And yes for the s2000 theyre very similar they use snails unlike the picture of the rsx you posted a picture of. also a supras engine bay is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy different then a s2000s

LanceVance · 11-15-2006, 05:11 PM

Ohkay.... i can understand wanting the outside to look nice, but sacraficing a performance mod for the sake of keeping your engine bay clean??... If its not a show car, then who cares if your turbos too bulky? at least you can say you have a turbo! Its like going into war and choosing your gun by how pretty it is, not how effective its going to be saving your A** and killing the other guy.

Besides... do engine bays really look pretty? no.
Do performance mods make your engine bay look beter? Yes

Examples:
Intake,
Headers
Intercooler
Lightweight Carbon Sheilding
Braided Steel Tubing covers

If you focus on performance, the engine bay looks better! if your that picky then get a turbo that looks nice..? Its not like theres alot of room to work in there, so whats a little less room, for alot more hp?

Although i can understand color schemes, and powder coating, and braided steal, etc. etc. It makes your stuff last longer, and still looks good. But please, if your going to focus on making your car look good more than making it perform, then dont worry about the engine bay.

Ahh... sorry to rant, Your car, not mine,

11-08-2006, 06:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
chemical Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 116	Turbo or Supercharger?? what do you guys think?? im a lil confused. one of my friends says turbo is better and other s2000 owners put a supercharger in them. whats better?

11-08-2006, 10:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 258	I would like to have the turbo charge; it is more fun, but as far as maintenant goes I am sticking the Supercharger. __________________ [HAD an 00 GReddy S2K] [06 Porsche Carrera]

11-09-2006, 11:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
gomarlins3 "Enjoy the drive" Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kuna Idaho Posts: 4,290	Both are nice. Both have advantages and disadvantages. __________________ Yablownowitz Racing brought to you by Anytime Fitness. Happiness is a nice road, great weather, and driving the S with Sue in the seat next to me. "Whatever you do, where ever you go, enjoy the drive." I know for a FACT that the last year of production of the S2000 is 2003!!!!! After that, it will be the S2200 under an assumed name.

11-10-2006, 09:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
gomarlins3 "Enjoy the drive" Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kuna Idaho Posts: 4,290	When you get your turbo, I want pictures with you F20/22/whatever engine it is attached to. __________________ Yablownowitz Racing brought to you by Anytime Fitness. Happiness is a nice road, great weather, and driving the S with Sue in the seat next to me. "Whatever you do, where ever you go, enjoy the drive." I know for a FACT that the last year of production of the S2000 is 2003!!!!! After that, it will be the S2200 under an assumed name.

11-12-2006, 09:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 258	Everyone is correct and the differs is technical, or when you want that extra HP to be delivered onto the pavement. Turbo will take a tad longer then the supercharger ( it would be a biach during a mid corner excursion then the turbo kicked in ), but then the supercharger will max out faster then the turbo. Conceptually both applications are ideals for the s2k due to the higher RMP; more exhaust for the turbo and more rotation for the supercharger. But the draw back is the higher compression ratio of the engine itself will limit the amount of boost to be delivered into the combustion chamber ( i'm not going to get into the other potential mechanical issues right now ). To date 7 psi is ideal for the S2K. Supercharger kit will come with that set up and the turbo kit BO valve also set for that as well. Both can be modified further to increase boost, but turbo will have several more parameters advantage over the supercharger & much easier. Both installtions are equally painful and complicated since the S2K is not meant for neither. But if anything to brake the ties are the price and easthetic. A complete turbo kit is $1,500 cheaper then supercharger kit, and the supercharge kit will retain your upgrade headers Niether one will add several extra envy factors onto your S2K Are ya'll ready? __________________ [HAD an 00 GReddy S2K] [06 Porsche Carrera]

11-08-2006, 07:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
pecetrn Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 44	super charger; from what i hear the turbo is harder on your engine, cuts miles off your life much faster than the SC

11-09-2006, 09:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,770	I prefer turbos myself since the last motor I built was a turbo motor butttttttttttt on a nice car like the s2000 that you want to keep nice the supercharger seems like the best way to go

11-09-2006, 11:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 594	^^^^^^^^^^ What he said.

11-09-2006, 06:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
chemical Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 116	well the only reason i think i would get aturbo would be to get ab blow off valve and yes i know you can put one on a super charger too but my friend said theres more to do to a turbo car

11-09-2006, 06:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Halo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 594	Yep. No better reason to have a tubro than to have the 133t BOV sound. I hear the SRT4 community calling!

11-09-2006, 07:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
chemical Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 116	great now im lost lolz but what you guys dont like the BOV sound?? or you guys prefer the winde up sound??

11-09-2006, 08:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,770	I think he was mocking the 16 year olds with their srt4's that blow off every chance they get cause theyre awesome and love the sound. I also like the bov howver I do not like it when someone blows off just from revving their car infact I cant wait to see one of them spin a bearing or something along those lines when revving the bejebus outa it at a light. Oh and if your car blows off from revving your turbo is to small bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. If he didnt meen that then I do.

11-09-2006, 11:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
chemical Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 116	oh ok but dont trip if i get a turbo ill make sure its big ok i wont spen money for no reason. lolz

11-10-2006, 04:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
fexterz Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10	i have a comptech/paxton SC.. =) in my f20

11-10-2006, 05:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,770	a few posts ago didnt you say chemical could beat yours? wow his na s2000 is smashing on supercharged s2000 pretty impressive.

11-10-2006, 05:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
fexterz Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10	youa re wrong. i have a 02 WRX.. and he beat me with that one cuz i messed up on the lauch ( not trying to make up an excuse) and now i have a s2k SC. i havent even taken it out to the streets yet.

11-10-2006, 11:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
chemical Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 116	i cant wait to see how my car does against that fexter lolz

11-11-2006, 03:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
mugens2k Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	supercharge your car if u drive alot, but i prefer turbo. i dont drive my s2k everyday. i use it for the track.

11-12-2006, 08:41 AM	#18 (permalink)
Turbojunkie Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	turbo> supercharger any day of the week.

11-12-2006, 06:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
Turbojunkie Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	depending on the size of the turbo on the application, the RPMs of the engine entering the curve there WILL be boost. Like I said though it all depends on the size.

11-13-2006, 05:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
mugens2k Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	turbo makes better noise, usually nube likes the blowoff valve, but when your in a turbo car, its loud enough trust me chicks dont like the whistle noise

11-13-2006, 07:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
fexterz Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10	well i have both and i like them both. As you guys said, turbo is less complicated and you can unleash more power but it will not react untill needed air hit right compression ( unless is an srt SLOW... i mean srt4, whooops ) so far all the times that i have taken the S2K out for a spin i have been amused on the power i have felt with the centrifugal supercharger. i will not judge none of them, i dont have the right to but i will say that they both are great. By different threads i have heard that SC its been more efficient that turbos in S2Ks

11-13-2006, 08:59 PM	#24 (permalink)
mugens2k Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	turbo is more complicated, maintenance super is less compliacated

11-14-2006, 11:03 AM	#25 (permalink)
Duke of Cruel Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4	Turbocharger is far more eficient. you get much more torque and hp. It also develop less heat, and that of to reasons, it only create boost when you need it, and it doesent beat the air. The down side is turbo lag, the larger the turbo the more lag. And turbo is more reliable than the supercharger, especially on high rpm engines cuz of the belt. Put a small ball bearing turbo on your s2000 and you will fly, but the cost is higher. I am going for cams though, because, there is a lot to gain in that rpm range, i had a rally car in 93, that was a 2.0 with tb´s and the lot, but i put out 283 hp at 7750, and had a very flat torque querve with over 200 pounds starting fron 4600. iI bought it used and raced it for at least 20000 miles with regular maintenence. It was the legendary v20xe opel engine in a 79´ ascona. DoC

11-14-2006, 08:19 PM	#26 (permalink)
MattG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 360	In summary... Supercharger kit - low initial cost, simple install, lack of high end upgrade path. CARB approval. Turbo kit - generally higher cost (require ecu + dyno tuning etc), install generally takes longer (eg intercooler, exhaust dump pipe etc), often easier to upgrade. Unsure of any turbo kits with carb approval, but I think most fail due to standalone ECU?

11-14-2006, 11:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
mugens2k Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	turbo @&#^ up your engine bay, it makes it look more boky Last edited by Java Junky; 10-15-2007 at 02:37 AM.

11-15-2006, 01:26 PM	#28 (permalink)
gomarlins3 "Enjoy the drive" Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kuna Idaho Posts: 4,290	O.K., I know I am just an 'old, white guy' as you put it, but I have to know, what is "boky"? __________________ Yablownowitz Racing brought to you by Anytime Fitness. Happiness is a nice road, great weather, and driving the S with Sue in the seat next to me. "Whatever you do, where ever you go, enjoy the drive." I know for a FACT that the last year of production of the S2000 is 2003!!!!! After that, it will be the S2200 under an assumed name.

11-15-2006, 02:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 258	I think he meant bulky. No offense to you mugens2k. __________________ [HAD an 00 GReddy S2K] [06 Porsche Carrera]

11-15-2006, 02:44 PM	#31 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 258	If SC and I will, I think am going to buy the comptech kit since it has a nice CF airbox cover. And there is a SC s2k project on october issue of Honda Tuning by using the vortech kit. Check it out. __________________ [HAD an 00 GReddy S2K] [06 Porsche Carrera]

11-15-2006, 03:55 PM	#32 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,770	turbos are the same size as superchargers...........

11-15-2006, 04:18 PM	#33 (permalink)
karnito Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 258	Are you sure ? It seem to me that the compressor of the SC is much larger then that of the turbo because SC running at a lesser RPM so larger size make up for the difference. __________________ [HAD an 00 GReddy S2K] [06 Porsche Carrera]

11-15-2006, 04:27 PM	#34 (permalink)
mugens2k Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	none taken, yeah i didn't know how bulky. but all those space in your engine, is going to be replaced by the turbo set up and ****. intercooler, turbo, and and a whole lot of stuff is added and replaced. ill show u guys a picture

11-15-2006, 04:33 PM	#35 (permalink)
mugens2k Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	see wat i mean

11-15-2006, 04:40 PM	#36 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,770	superchargers and turbos can be the same size or a turbo can be larger or a supercharger can be larger. The s2000 kits ive seen theyre both close to the same size. With a turbo you will need a different manifold then stock but thats the only thing that could make it more cluttered. a front mount is not needed with low boost. really a supercharged and turbo are the same thing

11-15-2006, 04:44 PM	#37 (permalink)
mugens2k Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	nooooooooooooooooo their not