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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Atlanta
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More HP
Is the Skunk2 68 MM throttle body woth the 275$. does give you an increase in power. I already have a high flow cat, skunk2 exhaust and meagan header. what kind of HP (if any) can i gain?
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"Enjoy the drive"
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Any HP gain will be minimal as you have no doubt already found out with your other mods. To get any real WHP gains from an S, you have to spend some SERIOUS money to be NA or go with boost which isn't cheap either.
It all comes down to how much you want to spend per WHP gained. $100/WHP, $75/WHP, $45/WHP? |
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i wanna keep it NA. so i guess a set of cams and EMS would be the way to go?
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"Enjoy the drive"
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That is a start.
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Hey what do you think of the APEXI VAFC II? any good?
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Wisdom begins in wonder.
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I had a Apexi VAFC 2 on my prelude pretty strait forward and easy to setup. Wiring can be kinda hard if you havent messed with it to much. As far as tuning it that another story. I didnt attempt to mess with it, i carried right do to my local dyno guy and put it up on there. I think Apexi has a new piggy back out that has a few more options on it. Something else to checkout for ya.
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I still cant get my foot off the floor and its been over a 2yrs now
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"Enjoy the drive"
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I had a VAFC 1 on the car WITH the Frog harness (no wire cutting- SOOOOO much easier) when I was NA and the tuner got 8 WHP and 6 lbs. ft. tq. out of it.
VAFC (used)- $100 Harness (new)-$100 $200= 8WHP --or-- $25/WHP Not to bad. |
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You have asked about a few things performance wise on here. The answer isnt gonna change. If you want naturally aspirated power basically your choice is to buy a mustang, do a motor swap, or spend way more money then they car is worth. Why do you wanna stay na anyway?
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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I guess given the option of whether r' not to have an extra 10 horse r' so, the obvious choice is to have.
But, even at 10 horse, you're talkin' . . . what? A 4 percent HP increase? Granted, it's an improvement, but if you're gonna go through the trouble'a messin' with it, the bare minimum should be in the vicinity of somethin' that won't have you wonderin' whether r' not it's jus' your imagination tryin' to make you feel like you spent your money wisely (Or, more honestly put: tryin' to make the missuz believe that it was worth it). How'zatt go? IMHO? Anything below 20 horse ain't worth the effort. It ain't as hyper as a bike but, at 10 horse, you can almost get similar results skippin' a @*#&in' meal r' two! Almost. Now 40 r' 50 horse . . . . now ya got somethin' to gab about into the wee hours. Be well. Java |
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Wisdom begins in wonder.
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Yeap well put Java, here is what i say knowing what i know now. If i had it to do over again. I would have just went boost. Because the way i sit now. It looks good, sounds good, grips how i want it to, but same power. I should have just bought gears and supercharger. I think i would have been alot happier with how i spent my money. But oh well thats coming soon and i will be done with nothing else i could do.
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I still cant get my foot off the floor and its been over a 2yrs now
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As I understand it, there currently isn't a huffer available for Stewie. (I'd appreciate it if our more up-on-it forced induction brethren'd jump in here at any time to help me out with this r' jus' correct me if I'm wrong.)
Turbo yeah, but for all the back-n'-forth B.S. that's been goin' on about who's-developed-a-blower-that's-almost-ready-to-be-released fpr the past year r' so, I don't see anything in the way'a a supercharger for Stewie comin' down the pike. So's near'z I can figure, if you simply godda have power, there's bore n' stroke (n' I don't hear alodda that goin' on) r', ya godda go turbo. A'course . . . there's always nitrous . . . . which should even be more sphincter-tightenin' than the combination of VTEC n' a turbo in a corner. But yeah. I think we've talked it to within an inch of it's life. I'm gonna say it out loud: With all that rubber on the tarmac, Stewie lacks the appropriate power to make use of it. How the hell else r' the lead-foots among us supposed to accurately hang the ass-end out aroun' a corner? Sheesh! Be well. Java |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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If you're serious about more power, check Inline Pro. They get 300whp from a NA engine.
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java theres a ton of turbo kits and vortech has a sc.
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Thanks guys. I wasn't aware that Vortech also hadda blower kit. "358 tire-shreddin' HP"? Now that's more like it!
I know about Inline, but, is anyone on the site runnin' their stuff? Do we have any first-hand info? Thanks n' be well. Java |
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wow inline got mid 500 hp outa a stock motor just a thicker hg. Gt35r sexy
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Now . . . this is gettin' interestin'!Maybe the small block Miata won't be necessary after all. (What can I say? My interest wanders when things ain't kind'a intense. Character flaws. I got a million of 'em.)
Thanks muchly for the info guys. (Though it pisses me off that I could'a looked it up myself) Be well. Java Last edited by Java Junky; 09-02-2007 at 04:08 PM. |
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Comptech still has a SC system as well. By the way, just to make it clear, the "358 tire-shreddin' HP" is at the crank, not the wheels. |
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"Enjoy the drive"
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If you are REALLY interested in a turbo system for the S, check the info here:
http://forums.s2000turbo.com |
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Jus' noticed your response Go. Thanks muchly.
Be well. Java (Oh, n' "at-the-crank" will do nicely thank you.) |
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just build your own turbo kit....alot cheaper than you would think you guys, you just have to know what your doing.
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Its much more expensive to get power NA.
And you only need to boost about 6-7 psi to get 100 hp. With a good quality turbo kit, you will have about 400 with 10 psi. |
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"Enjoy the drive"
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A MAJOR consideration. Another S2K owner here that tried it and the car has been in and out of the shop since just after Christmas due to problems. He tried to go the cheap route and piece it together. It ended up costing more and the car still has CEL's constantly.
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Or you could go the 2Nwerks path. Bore and sleeve the block to 2.4 or 2.7 liters, add cams exhaust, intake, AEM ems, headers and lots of tuning. 275 hp and lots of torque.
Jonathan
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why would you wanna spend that much money for such little gains? That would cost more than a sc kit and you wouldnt gain as much and with a sc or turbo kit you always have the option of turning up the boost.
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'Godda go with isu. Jus' makes more sense to get as much bang for your buck as you can.
N' des, 'ain't disputin' wha'cher sayin' 'r nothin', 'cause . . . while I'm pretty sure you've gotten some more torque to some extent, nobody, nowhere could ever accuse Stewie of bein' in possession of "lots of torque". Be well. Java
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Oh and let me put a disclamer on what I said. If you build a stroker motor and boost it two thumbs up
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S2kx2: "paint it pink! Or better yet buy a Miata" 2001 Vortech SC 12.8 at 111 miles per hour |
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Just leave it stock.....haha...just kidding
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well you got a point... honestly I know a few people with turbo kits, and they talk about nothing but problems.. at first it was excited ad fun.. but its not cheap to maintain and tune, and its just a headache..
What I would do, (which im doing now that i blew my piston rod) STROKER KIT... bore.. blah blah blah, and maybe supercharger later down the road (by summer time) its safer, easier, not much tuning, and yea, wont kill your wallet with repairs, (if you check your oil every gas stop, lol) so conclusion... stroker kit supercharger |
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275?!? not worth it.. numbers dont look right either.. lots of tuning? tuning is not cheap either... all that for 275?? no way dude.. lol.. rofl.. hahaha
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Vortech kit, stock pulley, stock motor (excluding the mugen t-stat, switch and rad cap), toda header, comptech exhaust, 550 Injectors, aem ems, 346.1 whp. Tuning is the key
I do recommend that you modify the car to deal with the extra HP, I added wilwood front brakes, billstein pss9's comptech adjustable front sway bar, x brace and for look (I don't think it does anything) comptech strut tower brace The car drives great, and according to my tuner (whom I completely trust) the stock engine is capable of running 14 psi if tuned correctly Mitch about 146 hp @ 48.00 each Last edited by s2ksuzuka; 01-30-2008 at 04:03 AM. |
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If it means what I think it means (48 bucks per HP) it's oud'a my league.
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I figured a way to make Stewie Baby faster and it don't cost nothin'.
I'm goin' on a diet. I figure if I loose 40 pounds that's good for at least a second less in the 1/4......... ![]() Best regards Pablo
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Regards, Pablo "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough" Mario Andretti ![]() Last edited by Pablo; 01-30-2008 at 07:55 PM. |
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Rule of thumb - Losing 100 lbs has the equivalent effect of adding 10 hp. 40 lbs = 4 hp.
Hmmmm..........if I lose 180 lbs and start hyperventalating helium.........
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yes that's what it means, the money goes quick, especially if you have to keep adding stuff that you didn't think was necessary It may be missing a few things, but that what forced induction is going to cost if you want to do it right and have a reliable car Mitch PS it was otta my league too, I put parts together over two years to make it happen |
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comptech sc ftw
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Will any of these FI options pass emissions? I was just wondering.
Jonathan
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I found the least expensive way to get more power is to downshift. My only speed mod was to lower the shift knob.
I find that things happen pretty darn fast when over 6 grand on the bone stocker 07. Just drifted through a corner at about 40 (shoulda been 15) and a cop come round the turn. He let me be. I like summer tires on frozen roads! Do this. Drive a stock full size pickup for ten years. Then get back in the S. She will feel plenty fast. That being said, I was young once. Cammed and piped the bikes and built an animal Blazer with giant tires. So I do get it. Being old(er) is much cheaper over all. I love the little red car as is! Quick little varmint I say. |
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