yet another going turbo

[Jake2ks2k]

hi, i have an AP1 with just over 45k miles and i'm looking to do a good turbo kit. it's not an everyday driver, but i dont want to work on it ALL the time, so i want to do things right the first time. i want to make around 500whp with the stock interals(-head gasket and arp studs) and was looking at differant kits. i'm almost certain i'm going with the stage 2 inline pro kit, but don't know what i'd run for fuel management.

i definately want a electronic boost controller and am going with an external wastegate. i don't want to spend more money than i have to, but like i said, i want to do it right the first time. AEM? Hondata?

can i just use an AEM piggyback instead of buying the whole EMS?

anyone know a really good bang for the buck boost controller?

obviously clutch needs upgraded. i'm keeping stock drivetrain otherwise i think. probably just a straight pipe exhaust with no cat.

any other input/tips are more than welcome......so long as you know what you're talking about(:


-Jake

[s2000isu]

I run aem ems and I like it so far. You just need to remember it will not pass inspection in most or all states with the aem ems. I also hear good things about kpro but you need to swap over a bunch of sensors and stuff. I hear its just a few hundred worth of parts.

For a boost controller I loved my blitz controller. I would imagine that you can control boost with the aem ems but I am not sure.

As far as a piggyback goes they are nice I had a aem FIC in my car and it seems like a good unit but good tuners are hard to come by and I wouldnt use it in a 500whp application.

[D1sclaimer]

Originally Posted by Jake2ks2k

i want to make around 500whp

i'm keeping stock drivetrain

Good luck.

[sbrodacz]

i want to make around 500whp

i'm keeping stock drivetrain
Good luck.
_____________

Not hard. Several people doing it, including myself....

[Jim21680]

I just don't see a 500hp 2 liter 4 cylinder engine lasting very long. But, maybe I'm wrong!

[s2kx2]

No you are not wrong. According to my favorite Honda tech Steve, Turboing an S2000 engine (which is already HIGHLY stressed on mostly stock internals, reduces the life span by 50%. Not worth it in my not so humble opinion.

Don't misunderstand me here but ...

What do you intend to do with an S2000 generating 500 W.H.P.? Street race? Drag race Mustangs, Camaros, F-22 Raptors? Would not that money be better spent on a high performance driving school where you could hone your skills and embarrass cars costing 5 times as much on a mountain road where they just can' t seem to lose you. Or... is this merely youthful bragging rights?

Originally Posted by Jim21680

I just don't see a 500hp 2 liter 4 cylinder engine lasting very long. But, maybe I'm wrong!

[Jake2ks2k]

Originally Posted by sbrodacz

Not hard. Several people doing it, including myself....

what turbo setup are you running sbrodacz?


i saw your dyno sheets. that's freaking sick! awesome car.

[Jake2ks2k]

Originally Posted by s2000isu

I run aem ems and I like it so far. You just need to remember it will not pass inspection in most or all states with the aem ems. I also hear good things about kpro but you need to swap over a bunch of sensors and stuff. I hear its just a few hundred worth of parts.

For a boost controller I loved my blitz controller. I would imagine that you can control boost with the aem ems but I am not sure.

As far as a piggyback goes they are nice I had a aem FIC in my car and it seems like a good unit but good tuners are hard to come by and I wouldnt use it in a 500whp application.

yea, i'll find a way past inspection. there's always a loophole

iknow i could control boost with the aem ems, but on the fly? i would like to run moderate boost for average driving, but be able to change the boost settings on the go.

[Jake2ks2k]

Originally Posted by s2kx2

No you are not wrong. According to my favorite Honda tech Steve, Turboing an S2000 engine (which is already HIGHLY stressed on mostly stock internals, reduces the life span by 50%. Not worth it in my not so humble opinion.

Don't misunderstand me here but ...

What do you intend to do with an S2000 generating 500 W.H.P.? Street race? Drag race Mustangs, Camaros, F-22 Raptors? Would not that money be better spent on a high performance driving school where you could hone your skills and embarrass cars costing 5 times as much on a mountain road where they just can' t seem to lose you. Or... is this merely youthful bragging rights?

yea, i see where you're coming from, but like a lot of people, i just really like going fast. i have a couple buddies with fast cars too, and messing with them, making them faster, and fixing them is just what we do......and one of my friends has a cobra with 500hp@the wheels, which i wouldn't mind beating.

my dad is building up his STI a little right now and just bought a suprezilla SV55 turbo and another one of my friends is building up his z28. I guess it just lit a fire under me and pulled the last straw on a hairbrained idea i've wanted to do for a long time.

that and i dont have many mountain roads here in northwest ohio. lol.

[s2000isu]

Originally Posted by s2kx2

No you are not wrong. According to my favorite Honda tech Steve, Turboing an S2000 engine (which is already HIGHLY stressed on mostly stock internals, reduces the life span by 50%. Not worth it in my not so humble opinion.

Your favorite honda tech steve doesnt have a clue im sorry.

[Jake2ks2k]

Originally Posted by s2000isu

Your favorite honda tech steve doesnt have a clue im sorry.

hahahaha,lmfao!

[Jim21680]

It's pretty much common sense...no need for Honda tech's insight. Engines putting out 250hp per liter are in Formula 1 territory, and those engines need to be ripped apart after every race (a few hundred miles?)

If you have any desire at all for engine longevity, it's not gonna happen with stock internals.

[s2kx2]

LB's or Pooshaimaikooratz

[desmo4]

From what I have been reading, I would put in a Kpro.

Jonathan

[Jake2ks2k]

Originally Posted by desmo4

From what I have been reading, I would put in a Kpro.

Jonathan

why's that? just a better set up, or does the AEM just have some quierks?

thanks for the input-Jake

[quicsilvia]

Originally Posted by desmo4

From what I have been reading, I would put in a Kpro.

Jonathan

agreed..ive heard nothing but good things about k pro..hondata knos there stuff

[Jake2ks2k]

i just ended up with a wrecked car with a full CFT kit on it! it's silver, from orlando, and pretty stock looking. anyone know who owned it before/engine specs. the guy at CFT he just sent a big bill to the guy for engine work, and it only had 20- miles on it before it was wrecked.

BTW, this means i'm parting a car now. no front end parts/engine parts, but i hav a great rear clip, interior, doors, ap1 rims, and a a lot of other misc. let me know if your interested.

[fxbill]

Tell you something I've learned about gobs of horsepower...and not meaning to brag, but my Cobra does 672 hp with over 600 ft lbs of torque and trust me...it's all but useless.I'll bet I'm not using over 350-400 hp that's actually usable. Unless you can get it to the ground and hook up, it's a waste. I'm running a 14"+ footprint on each of my rear tires and they're AA traction rated bubblegum rubber. I could waste both of them in less than an hour without ever popping the clutch if I wanted to. Seems to me that even 300 hp or so in the Honda would make it a total screamer. Heck...I'm impressed as can be with mine...and I haven't done a thing to it....yet.

[jake2k]

Whats up jake2ks2k i have a 2002 S and i have the greddy turbo kit on it and it does very well. Im pushing a little under 300 at the wheels and am very happy with it. I say if you have the money and it makes you happy do it but becareful of pouring more money into your car and not getting your money's worth of fun out of it. Our cars are just as fun at 300 as they are at 5 or 6. And i hear greddy makes a good boost controller.

Jake2k and jake2ks2k hahahaha

[Jake2ks2k]

well, i know i cant have my foot to the floor and expect it to hook up, but i dont agree that another 300 hp isnt going to make you faster. i agree with you(jake) that a car shouldnt be a money trap. i am pretty patient and good with finding deals...

i actually just bought a wrecked s2000 from a salvage yard. i tracked down the previous owner and he gave me some specs on the car.

full lovefab gt1 kit
tial 44mm waste gate
4inch down pipe
puerter rods
cp pistons
aebs sleeves
1000cc injectors
bored to 2.1L
ported head
precision 72mm ballbearing turbo
AEM EMS
buncha guages
the list goes on.

for what i paid for the car, i think i can part it out and keep everything i want and come out even, pretty much end up the labor in parting it out being what i pay for everything i wanted.

the guy said he was making 600hp @15psi and 93 octane.

[s2000isu]

ya the car you just bought burnt bad

[fxbill]

I don't disagree completely.....sure...another 300 hp will make the car faster, but if it's more than you can put to the ground safely and with tractability it's a far greater danger to you than it is an asset. I've done a few 45 degree burnouts down the street at better than 60 out of control miles per hour that I feel lucky to have walked away from. Horsepower out of control is a scary commodity and I doubt if there's a person on this forum with a heavily modded engine who hasn't experienced a similar incident at some point in his life. 600 hp in a Honda...unless you are running slicks and down a quarter mile is begging for trouble. JMHO
By the way....600 hp in the Honda? In a wrecking yard? I can almost imagine how and why it got there.......

[philiam]

I don't think you can do 150 on Mulholland or down Ventura Blvd. It'll do 90 in 3rd and it's hard to find a place to do that safely. The fun is in the twisties, not flogging the car from stoplights.

[fxbill]

I've done 145 on Ventura!lol....way out towards Calabassas... but I was younger, dumber and full of you know what!

[fxbill]

I'll bet Beverly Glen is a blast in the Honda! Chevy Chase wouldn't be bad either.... I used to run that back in the early 70s with a little Lotus Elan....what a trip....

[philiam]

My favorite is Stunt Rd. A few weeks ago I wound up in the middle of a Cobra club drive on Kanan Dune Rd. Ventura, I try to stay around the limit. Too many gendarmes and slow drivers to zip around.

[fxbill]

I don't imagine that the Cobras were doing too well on Kanan....I'm sure you could have easily ripped any one of them a new butt if you'd had the inclination!

[Jake2ks2k]

it's burnt, but i dont think it's that bad. i'm not counting on the injectors being good, and i'm going to get a seal kit for the turbo. throttle body may or may not be good. other than that, i do see anything else major i'll need to get the engine going in my car.

sorry, i don't want to sound ignorant or like a know it all. sorry if i was getting on ayone's nerves. i plan on having a mild map for driving around home and switch it for a higher boost/power map for going to Norwalk or werever else to race. it's just gonna be a hobby car. like i said, it's not an everyday driver. i am a petty responsible driver and don't pan on doin anything stupid that's going t hurt anyone on the road.

[fxbill]

Hey Jake....Not a problem to me at all. I'm a bit of a wise ass and jokester at times, but nothing you said came across badly to me at all. I think we're all looking for similar things from our cars...some a little more than others, but even as a newbie here I can see a common thread among all the members and I like the attitude, the freshness and the wealth of knowledge that I've seen. Everyone seems to be a real "straight shooter".... I like that.
Hope all the parts from the car are usable. What yard did you get it from? Anywhere near Sun Valley?

[philiam]

Originally Posted by fxbill

I don't imagine that the Cobras were doing too well on Kanan....I'm sure you could have easily ripped any one of them a new butt if you'd had the inclination!

I've learned never to be the fastest car on the road (except in the twisties). I've spent a large part of my working life driving and that has kept me out of trouble, as I pass the leader on the side of the road gettin green stamps.

[philiam]

"the guy said he was making 600hp @15psi"

Obviously he tried using them horses with unhappy results. I gather he survived?

[s2000isu]

phil the story is the guy built the car and drove it mainly for racing with no problems, he sold the car and told the buyer you should trailor it because I didnt make any heatshielding for it and not a good idea for a long drive. The new owner said it would be fine and during his first few hours of the drive home it burnt. I would imagine a oil line broke but who knows.

[philiam]

Boy, that would be a bummer. One less stewie in the world. Sad!

[Jake2ks2k]

Originally Posted by fxbill

Hey Jake....Not a problem to me at all. I'm a bit of a wise ass and jokester at times, but nothing you said came across badly to me at all. I think we're all looking for similar things from our cars...some a little more than others, but even as a newbie here I can see a common thread among all the members and I like the attitude, the freshness and the wealth of knowledge that I've seen. Everyone seems to be a real "straight shooter".... I like that.
Hope all the parts from the car are usable. What yard did you get it from? Anywhere near Sun Valley?

the parts are pretty good. i just got the car a couple days ago. it was from orlando actually.

it's wierd, all the oil lines and gas lines are still in very good shape. it got the hottest at the firewall on the passenger side, but i dont see what made it burn so hot.