When to go FI

s2000COP · 10-12-2009, 07:47 PM

Ok, this is the deal. I've got my heart set on supercharging my S. So far I got the stage 3 clutch, forged pistons and studs, iron sleeves, and a thicker head gasket. Just need the exhaust (right?).

The car is an 03 with 74,000 miles. By the time I get the funds together, I'd probably have about 84,000 miles, and the car would be paid off by then.

My question is; Would 84,000 miles seem too high for FI? What mileage were you guys at when you went FI?

RL1924 · 10-12-2009, 07:54 PM

I have seen guys go much higher miles on a S/C, tech you really dont need anything for say a comptech or the older vortech s/c you can run stock clutch for a while but it will probably begin to slip "eventually" If your trying to go for the really high HP in the 400whp range you will need bigger injectors EMS and the clutch which you already have.

s2000isu · 10-12-2009, 08:23 PM

There are people running fi and making alot of power with over 100k miles.

D1sclaimer · 10-12-2009, 08:24 PM

So you got forged pistons and a thick head gasket?

Neil · 10-13-2009, 06:13 AM

From what I've seen on this forum, people are just bolting on Vortech s/c and that's it. Stock everything else.

fltsfshr · 10-13-2009, 07:16 AM

Sounds like you've got a built block. I don't know how much boost you want to push but other than check and/or update the retainers to the ap2 ones, you're ready to go with some higher boost.

I boosted mine on a stock vortech at 10k. Now it's much more modified at 50k and my compression and leakdown tests look great. I do them every year and write the results inside the plug cover.

Run those tests on your motor before you begin and that will tell you a lot about it's current state. I'm assuming you haven't installed any of the components you already have.

fltsfshr

s2000COP · 10-13-2009, 10:15 PM

Everything I mentioned above is already installed. So, I guess it can be considered "built". They been on for about 10 months. One of these days I'd like to dyno it and see if there are any gains. My mechanic said that there would be only like 5 or so, but it feels stronger.
Right now I am sure that it can take a lot of boost, but I think I would be comfortable with 325 hp to the wheels. Hmmm. come to think of it, I've never been in a boosted S2000 before. I am looking forward to it.

D1sclaimer · 10-13-2009, 11:01 PM

So what pistons did you get? What CR? If you got 9:1 CR pistons which a lot of turbo guys get you don't need a thick head gasket.

gomarlins3 · 10-14-2009, 07:38 AM

You can put down 300 WHP with an aftercooler and 7 lb pulley. Larger injectors were good for an extra 15 WHP (total 315) for me, but the street drivablility suffered so I had them taken back out.

turbosix · 10-14-2009, 09:06 AM

do it, cop!

S2KCRick · 10-14-2009, 10:31 AM

yea do it! do it!

have it dyno'd before and after too.

boostftw · 10-14-2009, 11:17 PM

go FI ASAP.

s2000COP · 10-15-2009, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D1sclaimer

So what pistons did you get? What CR? If you got 9:1 CR pistons which a lot of turbo guys get you don't need a thick head gasket.

I got the 9:1 CP pistons. I looked at the CRs, I think. It was like 10 months ago when I had the work done. I told the mechanic that I was planning on going FI sometime and he recommended the thicker head gasket. It was a little bit more than the stock, but I figured. "why not?"

Is an exhaust ABSOLUTLY necessary? Or will the stock one do?

RL1924 · 10-15-2009, 05:24 AM

You dont REALLY need an exhaust.. I mean it may help but its not the end of the world if you dont have one

S2KCRick · 10-15-2009, 10:17 AM

I didn't put an aftermarket exhaust on mine. I want mine to be quiet so I can hear the SC whistle.

turbosix · 10-15-2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S2KCRick

yea do it! do it!

have it dyno'd before and after too.

no reason to dyno it now. if it has 9:1 pistons and a thicker HG then he's nowhere near 240hp as he stands...

S2KCRick · 10-15-2009, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbosix

no reason to dyno it now. if it has 9:1 pistons and a thicker HG then he's nowhere near 240hp as he stands...

Maybe its nowhere near 240hp, but I would still want to know how much hp its putting out before the SC. At least i would.

fltsfshr · 10-15-2009, 11:34 AM

I'm guessing about 150 rwhp. I think your build costs with an SC are going to be expensive to get it up the hp you want. You maybe should reconsider a turbo instead of an supercharger. Probably do it cheaper.

fltsfshr

turbosix · 10-15-2009, 12:57 PM

he can always compensate with a smaller pulley

s2000COP · 10-15-2009, 10:10 PM

150 whp? Not likely. There's a strech of road on the way to my dad's that I used to hit XX miles per hour on before the repair, on average. Now it's XX+6, on average.

After doing some searching online, I think I will go turbo. I like Inlinepro's Stage 1 kit. How much hp does it make? Or does that depend on the EMS (thinking about Kpro from Hondata)?

turbosix · 10-15-2009, 10:26 PM

no kpro for you mr ap1

AEM 1052, have t1r in rowlett tune it, tony palo is a bad ass

S2KCRick · 10-16-2009, 10:32 AM

COP, have you lookd at the Kraftwerks kits or Vortech kits?

Check here: http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/
and here: http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/view.php?pcat=15

S2KCRick · 10-16-2009, 10:42 AM

the complete V-3 SCi-Trim Vortech kit should get you close to 325hp. You'd be looking at $6k installed, by a Vortech certified top tier installer, less if you have a non-Vortech installer put it on. No tuning required with the complete kit.

Vortech tuner kits are about $4.2k

s2000COP · 10-16-2009, 11:12 AM

what is the difference between the V-2 and the V-3 superchargers, 7 lbs.? How is Vtec affected with FI?

turbosix · 10-16-2009, 11:22 AM

the v2 are super quiet supposedly, dunno anything else, nothing else look diff on the site.

turbosix · 10-16-2009, 11:24 AM

the v3 says sealed gear housing

maybe the v2 uses engine oil and the v3 doesnt? hmmm.

S2KCRick · 10-16-2009, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbosix

the v3 says sealed gear housing

maybe the v2 uses engine oil and the v3 doesnt? hmmm.

Yup, that's what i think too. Mine is V3 which is self lubricated.

turbosix · 10-16-2009, 11:28 AM

i dont give a shit about noise, a sealed gear housing would win it for me, no tapping the oil pan or any of that jazz. they are both spec'd out the same other than that.

S2KCRick · 10-16-2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2000COP

what is the difference between the V-2 and the V-3 superchargers, 7 lbs.? How is Vtec affected with FI?

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I'm at 8psi. Since my kit comes with the Hondata reflash, vtec was changed to 5800rpm. Hondata reflash is only for 06-08 i think.

S2KCRick · 10-16-2009, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbosix

i dont give a shit about noise, a sealed gear housing would win it for me, no tapping the oil pan or any of that jazz. they are both spec'd out the same other than that.

The noise bothered me when i first got her back, mostly because i wasn't expecting to hear anything from the SC, now i'm used to it and kinda like it. Its not too loud, but anyone close by and knows what an SC sounds like is gonna know you have one.

10-12-2009, 07:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
s2000COP Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DFW Posts: 147	When to go FI Ok, this is the deal. I've got my heart set on supercharging my S. So far I got the stage 3 clutch, forged pistons and studs, iron sleeves, and a thicker head gasket. Just need the exhaust (right?). The car is an 03 with 74,000 miles. By the time I get the funds together, I'd probably have about 84,000 miles, and the car would be paid off by then. My question is; Would 84,000 miles seem too high for FI? What mileage were you guys at when you went FI?

10-12-2009, 08:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,771	There are people running fi and making alot of power with over 100k miles. __________________ S2kx2: "paint it pink! Or better yet buy a Miata" 2001 Vortech SC 12.8 at 111 miles per hour

10-14-2009, 07:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
gomarlins3 "Enjoy the drive" Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kuna Idaho Posts: 4,291	You can put down 300 WHP with an aftercooler and 7 lb pulley. Larger injectors were good for an extra 15 WHP (total 315) for me, but the street drivablility suffered so I had them taken back out. __________________ Yablownowitz Racing brought to you by Anytime Fitness. Happiness is a nice road, great weather, and driving the S with Sue in the seat next to me. "Whatever you do, where ever you go, enjoy the drive." I know for a FACT that the last year of production of the S2000 is 2003!!!!! After that, it will be the S2200 under an assumed name.

10-14-2009, 09:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
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10-15-2009, 12:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
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10-12-2009, 07:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	I have seen guys go much higher miles on a S/C, tech you really dont need anything for say a comptech or the older vortech s/c you can run stock clutch for a while but it will probably begin to slip "eventually" If your trying to go for the really high HP in the 400whp range you will need bigger injectors EMS and the clutch which you already have.

10-13-2009, 06:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Neil Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,514	From what I've seen on this forum, people are just bolting on Vortech s/c and that's it. Stock everything else.

10-13-2009, 07:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
fltsfshr Varietas Delectat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Naples Fl Posts: 152	Sounds like you've got a built block. I don't know how much boost you want to push but other than check and/or update the retainers to the ap2 ones, you're ready to go with some higher boost. I boosted mine on a stock vortech at 10k. Now it's much more modified at 50k and my compression and leakdown tests look great. I do them every year and write the results inside the plug cover. Run those tests on your motor before you begin and that will tell you a lot about it's current state. I'm assuming you haven't installed any of the components you already have. fltsfshr

10-13-2009, 10:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
s2000COP Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DFW Posts: 147	Everything I mentioned above is already installed. So, I guess it can be considered "built". They been on for about 10 months. One of these days I'd like to dyno it and see if there are any gains. My mechanic said that there would be only like 5 or so, but it feels stronger. Right now I am sure that it can take a lot of boost, but I think I would be comfortable with 325 hp to the wheels. Hmmm. come to think of it, I've never been in a boosted S2000 before. I am looking forward to it.

10-14-2009, 11:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
boostftw Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Beaverton OR Posts: 28	go FI ASAP.

10-15-2009, 05:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	You dont REALLY need an exhaust.. I mean it may help but its not the end of the world if you dont have one

10-15-2009, 11:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
fltsfshr Varietas Delectat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Naples Fl Posts: 152	I'm guessing about 150 rwhp. I think your build costs with an SC are going to be expensive to get it up the hp you want. You maybe should reconsider a turbo instead of an supercharger. Probably do it cheaper. fltsfshr

10-15-2009, 10:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
s2000COP Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DFW Posts: 147	150 whp? Not likely. There's a strech of road on the way to my dad's that I used to hit XX miles per hour on before the repair, on average. Now it's XX+6, on average. After doing some searching online, I think I will go turbo. I like Inlinepro's Stage 1 kit. How much hp does it make? Or does that depend on the EMS (thinking about Kpro from Hondata)?

10-15-2009, 10:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
turbosix S2000.com Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 2,083	no kpro for you mr ap1 AEM 1052, have t1r in rowlett tune it, tony palo is a bad ass __________________ turbosix.net 1984 buick regal t-type . 2003 gpw s2000 Are you lacking coverage for your prescriptions? Click HERE to print a free discount pharmacy card! Save 10-60% on most medications at 60,000 pharmacies nationwide at no cost to you.

10-16-2009, 11:12 AM	#24 (permalink)
s2000COP Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DFW Posts: 147	what is the difference between the V-2 and the V-3 superchargers, 7 lbs.? How is Vtec affected with FI?

10-16-2009, 11:22 AM	#25 (permalink)
turbosix S2000.com Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 2,083	the v2 are super quiet supposedly, dunno anything else, nothing else look diff on the site. __________________ turbosix.net 1984 buick regal t-type . 2003 gpw s2000 Are you lacking coverage for your prescriptions? Click HERE to print a free discount pharmacy card! Save 10-60% on most medications at 60,000 pharmacies nationwide at no cost to you.

10-16-2009, 11:24 AM	#26 (permalink)
turbosix S2000.com Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 2,083	the v3 says sealed gear housing maybe the v2 uses engine oil and the v3 doesnt? hmmm. __________________ turbosix.net 1984 buick regal t-type . 2003 gpw s2000 Are you lacking coverage for your prescriptions? Click HERE to print a free discount pharmacy card! Save 10-60% on most medications at 60,000 pharmacies nationwide at no cost to you.

10-16-2009, 11:28 AM	#28 (permalink)
turbosix S2000.com Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 2,083	i dont give a shit about noise, a sealed gear housing would win it for me, no tapping the oil pan or any of that jazz. they are both spec'd out the same other than that. __________________ turbosix.net 1984 buick regal t-type . 2003 gpw s2000 Are you lacking coverage for your prescriptions? Click HERE to print a free discount pharmacy card! Save 10-60% on most medications at 60,000 pharmacies nationwide at no cost to you.

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