race fuel 110 oct+ chicagoland area?

[sbrodacz]

Does anyone know where I can get 110 oct or high in the chicagoland area? I really don't want to have to order it.

[turbosix]

Originally Posted by sbrodacz

Does anyone know where I can get 110 oct or high in the chicagoland area? I really don't want to have to order it.

i dont, but head on over to turbobuick.com and post up, i guarantee they will know.

[rolso]

I think 104 is as high as you can go with unleaded.
I might be wrong though.

[sbrodacz]

I found a gas station not to far from me that carries the 110 oct. From my understanding leaded fuel with only hurt the cat. Don't have a cat...

[turbosix]

Originally Posted by sbrodacz

I found a gas station not to far from me that carries the 110 oct. From my understanding leaded fuel with only hurt the cat. Don't have a cat...

lead will kill o2 sensors as well, heated o2s are more resistant but they'll eventually fail...

[desmo4]

You can get unleaded 100 octane, but I have never seen unleaded 110.

Jonathan

[lonestarbuzz]

WTF do you need 110 for? That's high for the freakin' space shuttle.

i highly recommend putting leaded fuel into your car. absolutely nothing can go wrong. i put diesel in mine at every fill up.

[turbosix]

Originally Posted by lonestarbuzz

WTF do you need 110 for? That's high for the freakin' space shuttle.

i highly recommend putting leaded fuel into your car. absolutely nothing can go wrong. i put diesel in mine at every fill up.

i ran 116 in my turbo car

leaded fuel isnt going to hurt anything except o2 sensors over time

[turbosix]

VP makes 109 octane unleaded anyhow.

[D1sclaimer]

Originally Posted by turbosix

i ran 116 in my turbo car

leaded fuel isnt going to hurt anything except o2 sensors over time

And I think the cat converter. Could be wrong though.

[turbosix]

Originally Posted by D1sclaimer

And I think the cat converter. Could be wrong though.

he has no cat on the car so its irrelevant, but we covered that

[sbrodacz]

WTF do you need 110 for? That's high for the freakin' space shuttle.

why? because I'm going for 550hp plus.


I'm not looking for 110 unleaded. I was just looking for a station that carried it in general. Finally did.

i ran 116 in my turbo car

That's what I wanted to run, but I couldn't find any gas stations that carrier it anywhere. It's $450 plus shipping or 55 gallons.

[D1sclaimer]

Just run water/meth injection. Very reliable as long as you remember to fill your water/meth tank.

Almost as good as race gas and cheap.

[sbrodacz]

^ it's actually just as good as race gas. 93 oct on water/meth injection is suppose to be equivalent to 120 oct. I drive maybe 1000 miles a year on the car. I've gone back and froth deciding which route I want to take and I've decided to go with the race fuel, well be cause it just smells so damn good while it's burning.

[DJJSR]

Just an FYI - You can actually lose performance by running octane that is higher than necessary (higher octane is slower burning). You may also cause some damage. You might want to do a little research before you put 110 in your car.

[sbrodacz]

^ ummm thanks I've done a lot of research. The car will be tuned with it. It'll be more than fine.

[turbosix]

sbro.... look into propane injection. i ran 28psi of non intercooled boost on my buick with NO knock on 93 pump.... propane is not only 110 octane but it comes out of the nozzle at -60*f

[sbrodacz]

That could be something I look into in the future. Thanks for the tip.

[kgf3076]

Originally Posted by sbrodacz

Does anyone know where I can get 110 oct or high in the chicagoland area? I really don't want to have to order it.

check with a local Sunoco station and ask where you can pick up Cam-2. That's standard race fuel and it should be reasonably easy to find. It's also unleaded so the cat isn't going to be a issue.

[TheCarGuy2021]

Have you considered E-85?

[sbrodacz]

[/quote]check with a local Sunoco station and ask where you can pick up Cam-2. That's standard race fuel and it should be reasonably easy to find. It's also unleaded so the cat isn't going to be a issue.[/quote]

Dude did you read through the post? I stated I found one right around the corner from me. Thanks though.

Have you considered E-85?

I actually have, the issue with that is a lot more fuel is needed in order for the e-85 to be effective. I don't want to have to run 1600cc to get the same numbers with 1000cc. Eventually I'll get a 2nd map with meth/water

[desmo4]

Originally Posted by DJJSR

Just an FYI - You can actually lose performance by running octane that is higher than necessary (higher octane is slower burning). You may also cause some damage. You might want to do a little research before you put 110 in your car.

Actually the octane # required is determined by, at what point the mixture will ignite based on compression and spark advance. Running 100 unleaded in a stock engine will not hurt anything and once ignited the flame front moves much faster across the combustion chamber which produces a bigger bang. So you won't loose performance, but rather gain. This information comes from the lonely Unical information man in Santa Barbara.

Jonathan

[sbrodacz]

DJJSR ^ seems like you may want to do some research...

[TheCarGuy2021]

Originally Posted by sbrodacz

I actually have, the issue with that is a lot more fuel is needed in order for the e-85 to be effective. I don't want to have to run 1600cc to get the same numbers with 1000cc. Eventually I'll get a 2nd map with meth/water

Stoichiometric is much much more rich (~9.7:1 and less) with E-85 as you stated, but it does run much more cooler as it has a lower BTU burn.

[TheCarGuy2021]

Originally Posted by desmo4

Actually the octane # required is determined by, at what point the mixture will ignite based on compression and spark advance. Running 100 unleaded in a stock engine will not hurt anything and once ignited the flame front moves much faster across the combustion chamber which produces a bigger bang. So you won't loose performance, but rather gain. This information comes from the lonely Unical information man in Santa Barbara.

Jonathan

I have a bachelors in automotive engineering technology, have taken numerous fuels/lubes classes and I'm telling you that guy told you wrong.

With higher octane, you advance the timing so combustion is done at ~23 degrees after TDC because the flame is burning slower. With a lower octane, you need to retard timing to retain combustion being complete at ~23 degrees after TDC. Faster burn does NOT equal more power, you want a longer burn so you can get the highest amount of pressure. A lean mixture also burns slower than a rich mixture, the same rules apply.
High octane gasoline will NOT produce more power, it allows you to advance the timing. Factory computers will not advance timing to make more power, as they just retard timing when the knock sensor goes off.

Cetane is an additive in diesel that does the opposite of octane, makes the flamefront travel faster.

[kgf3076]

Dude did you read through the post? I stated I found one right around the corner from me. Thanks though.

Yep, I did. Not everyone who races buys 55 gallon drums. If they know who sells Cam-2, they may know someone who sells it in reasonable quantities.

[Decaturflyer]

Go to the local airport and you can buy 100 LL avgas. It says low lead, but it actually has more lead than leaded auto gas.

[D1sclaimer]

I've heard that E85 is inconsistent with ethanol levels. Not just that during the winter its technically E70, but each time you fill up theres a little variation.

Anyone have knowledge on this for more info?

EDIT: Heres a link
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/02...ith-an-e85-st/

[TheCarGuy2021]

Originally Posted by D1sclaimer

I've heard that E85 is inconsistent with ethanol levels. Not just that during the winter its technically E70, but each time you fill up theres a little variation.

Anyone have knowledge on this for more info?

EDIT: Heres a link
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/02...ith-an-e85-st/

There is variation every time you fill up with regular gas, too. You are right though, E-85 is much more volatile than regular gasoline. I've tested E-85 myself many times (vapor pressure, alcohol content), and it is usually ~75-80% alcohol. This is because alcohol evaporates very quickly, and if E-85 sits for a while, the alcohol content will be lower. Flex fuel cars can adapt to whatever % alcohol the gasoline has, so it isn't a big deal except for in high performance applications.

Regular gasoline has a much lower BTU burn and is a lot more volatile during the winter months as well. Regular gasoline is ~10% alcohol.

[turbosix]

yay misinformation!

[sbrodacz]

Factory computers will not advance timing to make more power, as they just retard timing when the knock sensor goes off.

true, that is why i have an aem ems and will have the car tuned for it.

[s2000isu]

Sbrod DID YOU NOT READ THROUGH THE POST? The carguy was obviously talking to desmo which is why he quoted him. Thats what quotes are for.

Finally what I think is funny is that after you got done being cocky turns out you were wrong. Sucks doesnt it? Usually guys who build cars know where to get race gas from so who built yours?

[sbrodacz]

Who was I copying that was for someone else? If you were referring to thecarguy, I was just adding to it. I knew where to get race gas from, just tyring to see if anyone knew of a place closer... You tool.

[TheCarGuy2021]

Originally Posted by sbrodacz

true, that is why i have an aem ems and will have the car tuned for it.

I love my AEM.

[sbrodacz]

Mine should be arriving any day now. I had originally bought the emange because I was unsure which route I wanted to go. I've been running the emange for a while now, but it's time to upgrade. Was stuck between. Kpro or AEM. Decided to go with the AEM.

[TheCarGuy2021]

You'll be much happier with the AEM over the emanage.

[s2000isu]

Originally Posted by sbrodacz

Who was I copying that was for someone else? If you were referring to thecarguy, I was just adding to it. I knew where to get race gas from, just tyring to see if anyone knew of a place closer... You tool.

Just like DJJSR was adding to this thread. You tool.

[sbrodacz]

You'll be much happier with the AEM over the emanage.

that's what ive been told. I havent found any unhappy so far.

Just like DJJSR was adding to this thread.

lol he was wrong... Go try and fight with someone else through a forum.


Thanks everyone for their .02. The cars not getting retuned till march 31st so who knows, things may changed. At least I found a station that's close that does carry 110 all year round.

[s2000isu]

Not trying to fight you just wanted to let you know youre a d**k. He wasnt wrong, using to high of an octane for a certain setup is not good. It didnt apply to you because of whatever boost level youre running but it is correct information. Believe it or not this forum and this thread is not just for you. Djjsr is setting it straight for whatever noob comes along reads your thread and goes cool I can dump 300 octane gas in my car an itll run 10's.

[sbrodacz]