Old Timers Thread - Ya remember when...... - Page 3

Java Junky · 12-03-2007, 07:03 AM

Oh Maebeline . . . honey izzatt'choo?
Your rail DJJ?

DJJSR · 12-03-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Java Junky

Your rail DJJ?

Yup. Don't have it anymore. Got out of drag racing about 1999-2000 when my partner and I started seeing things different ways. Lots of fun, I still miss it a little when I see it on TV.

Bubblerboy64 · 12-03-2007, 10:52 AM

Gotta admit that chevy looks pretty nifty. Would anyone think that grafting parts from a 57,58,59 together would work in any manor shape or form. Now the real challenge. Take the left over pieces and see what you could come up with. Do it twice and really impress. Lets see. Do it in reverse. 59 nose, 57 middle, 58 tail. Make that work??? John

jagg · 12-03-2007, 11:13 AM

Yikes Don!! What else can I say other than......Yeeehaaaaa!
now I know why you're measuring gallons per 1/4 mile.

don's dragster.jpg

kgf3076 · 12-03-2007, 12:58 PM

To say nothing of the double-pumper Stromberg Triple Barrel (Stromberg didn't make them very long but that secondary would suck the insulation off the inside of the hood and a couple of small children out of their mommas arms)

kgf3076 · 12-03-2007, 01:00 PM

Gently massaged 427...around 650 at the rear wheels on a 4:56 rear for dragging, 4:38 for short road course, 3:58 for long courses. Cam 2 or Sunoco 260 was expensive in those days (39 cents a gallon).

philiam · 12-03-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJSR

Must have been a big block. Not known for economy but "there ain't no substitute for cubic inches" torque up the wazoo. Last one I had got 1/4 mile per 2 gallons.

Ford 460 w/4bl. carb. Auto tranny. 60 gal gas tank.

So I go diesel, which was cheap, and they raise the price to be the highest. B#st@#d oil companies. It's much cheaper than gasoline to make. Now we pay more for everything because it cost more to truck it to market!

Java Junky · 12-03-2007, 08:18 PM

Sometimes ya jus' godda get creative Phil.
Had me a 428 Cougar that jus' use'ta eat gas ad'a prodigious rate. Big ol' Holley double-pumper always relievin' the excess weight'a the fuel from the rear'a the vehicle.
'Fixed that up in short order: figured if a deuce wuz more economical on fuel, 3 of 'em would probably fill the tank'z I drove.
Well . . . . it didn't 'zackly work out the way I planned . . . but lemme tell ya . . when that outer pair'a deuces kicked in . . le's jus' say VTEC ain't show'n me diddly.
All that n' sequential taillights ta boot.
(Why do I know that within 15 seconds'a me postin' this Phil'll have flicks of the ol' racin' Cougars, Jagg'll have 20 different flicks'a Cougars in various stages'a undress in barns, sheds, lean-tos n' the ever-present blue tarps, DJJ'll have a funny-car jointly fielded by AJ n' Evel n' Hell'll (at's alodda hockey sticks) post flicks of an AMT 1/25th scale model.
I am humbled by the great company I keep on this site)
Be well,
Java

DJJSR · 12-03-2007, 08:39 PM

Well no funny cars, but I did have a shot of a big block Cougar. I got a chance to drive the Mustang equivalent. VERY cool and VERY fast. I've always been a Chevy guy, so it's hard for me to admit that!!

Java Junky · 12-03-2007, 08:49 PM

No harder than it is for this Ford guy ta admit that Honda makes an impressive vehicle DJJ. Rather that than to miss out on the fun though, eh?

jagg · 12-04-2007, 09:20 AM

boy, that sure is a nice cobra-jet. (I'm not completly brand oriented, but I do tend to lean towards the Fords)
Got me a buddy with an ol' cougar......I suppose I could stop in for a visit, as it's godda be on my way to somewhere. Is that one of them Dan Gurney Cougars, or a GT?

Here's some flicks for you Don, Chevy Lovin' Elder Statesman!!!
This one sits nose to nose with the old vette. It's a hoot to drive!

Picture 236.jpg

Picture 243.jpg

Java Junky · 12-04-2007, 09:58 AM

Hmmmm-m-m-m-m . . . doors whut got square rorners n' mags that ain't got 15 holes inn'em to fit most everything.
Is it actually an SS Jagg, 'r izzatt jus' an over-excited replacement wheel?
El Camino mats eh? 'Got the matchin' skivvies?
She's purdy. Go kind'a shiny, but real purdy.

Lemme lead with my chin: There were Dan Gurney Cougars?

jagg · 12-04-2007, 10:36 AM

Picture 238.jpg Picture 237.jpg

I'm pretty sure you could get all this gear in an El Camino in 1965, the buckets, the a/c the steering wheel......but they didn't put emblems that said super sport on the body from the factory, as it wasn't a model type for the Camino that year. This car was not originally ordered with the nice stuff in it, but I'm under the impression that it was possible, with the right boxes checked on the order form. That's a good question for DJJ, he'll probably know. The chevy guys are just aware of this stuff.

This car has been completly gone over, and upgraded in all the right ways.
When it came off the truck from California, it wasn't real pretty.....but it was super-solid. There's not one ounce of filler on this buggy.

Dan Gurney Cougars......yep, they made 'em in his honor.
I'll google it and get up to speed on it, but I'm certain they made 'em.

jagg · 12-04-2007, 10:46 AM

This is not from my hand, borrowed from cougar website, and it's a great read about a great car.
Okay, I know it's not a Stewie, ........But this is the oldtimers thread.
jagg

A 1968 XR7-G

Owner: Jim Brennan

In 1968, famous race car driver, Dan Gurney, signed with Lincoln-Mercury to promote cars that year and this special Cougar became Lincoln-Mercury's way of celebrating the contract. Although not a Dan Gurney Special-- which is a completely different car--the G did stand for "Gurney". The XR7-G hit the showrooms in March of 1968. The only promotions were a full-page ad in the April 26, 1968, issue of Life magazine and a commercial ad for the power operated sunroof.

The XR7-G package was based on certain equipment added to or in place of, the basic XR7 equipment. The special features included Lucas fog lamps; Mustang hood-locking pins; a fiberglass, simulated air scoop; a bullet-shaped, racing-type rear view mirror shipped in from England; GT exhaust extensions--a pipe-in-a-pipe chrome tips; special XR7-G lower valance; and unique XR7-G emblems on the pillars, trunk latch, head light door, dash, and wheel center caps; and lastly, the spider-webbed wheels. The spider-webbed wheels were also known as "Rader Wheels", which were later replaced with the five-spoke style steel wheels. Lincoln-Mercury later recalled the Rader Wheels, replacing all XR7-Gs with the five-spoke style steel wheels. Lastly, all XR7-Gs had unique consoles with Shelby-type shifter handles, different than all other Cougars.
Six different V-8s of engine power existed to pick from: 302-2V, 210hp; 302-4V, 230hp; Marauder 390-2V, 280hp; Marauder 390-4V GT, 325hp; 427-4V, 390hp; 428-4V CJ, 335hp. Of the two larger engines, only six cars were known to have a 428CJ in them.

Java Junky · 12-04-2007, 11:30 AM

Too soon oldt, too late schmadt.
Thanks (sigh)
I remember the ad for the sunroof.

DJJSR · 12-04-2007, 11:41 AM

OK, enough of that Ford stuff. Gettin back to that Elky, you're right jagg, most of the SS stuff was available without getting an SS. Buckets, console, etc could be had. I think all you would be missing are the badges and the SS steering wheel.

I recently read somewhere that because of the availability of repro parts, more of some models of the Super Sport exist today than were originally built. I think they were referring to the 427's and 454's.

People that are getting ready to plop down big bucks for an original really gamble these days. Used to be you could check the numbers, but now numbers are changed and you can even get a build sheet created. There's nothing wrong with a clone, as long as you know that's what your getting.

DJJSR · 12-04-2007, 11:55 AM

The good old days of workin on your own car. Ya just did what ya had to do........

(no, that ain't me)

philiam · 12-04-2007, 06:27 PM

Did someone mention Dan Gurney? Had to dig in the archives for this one. that was when stock cars were more like what we drove.

jagg · 12-04-2007, 06:27 PM

are you sure that ain't you Don? looks an awful lot like the guy that was running the dragster. Yeeeeehaaaaa!

In retrospect, after looking at this photo, ..........
well, I guess I've done stupider s@#t.

Regards,
jagg

DJJSR · 12-04-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by philiam

........ that was when stock cars were more like what we drove.

And that's when it was a lot more fun to watch! Unfortunately, not many races were televised back then. Once in a while I find some old footage on SPEED or ESPN2 and I love it. Today's cookie cutter cars are ok, but not nearly as thrilling as the cars of yesterday.

Phil - are you the Phil that took the pics?

DJJSR · 12-04-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jagg

In retrospect, after looking at this photo, ..........
well, I guess I've done stupider s@#t.

Jagg - When I first looked at that picture, like everyone else I think the guy's an idiot for using 4x4's as jackstands. Then I looked a little closer. I think that guy is welding a gas tank! One way or another that probably ended badly. Oh well, his genes shouldn't be passed on anyway.

philiam · 12-04-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJSR

And that's when it was a lot more fun to watch! Unfortunately, not many races were televised back then. Once in a while I find some old footage on SPEED or ESPN2 and I love it. Today's cookie cutter cars are ok, but not nearly as thrilling as the cars of yesterday.

Phil - are you the Phil that took the pics?

Guilty as charged. I used to shoot for a little weekly racing newspaper just to get press credentials and get out on the track. Then I was able to sell some of the shots to magazines. But that's another story.

Java Junky · 12-04-2007, 09:43 PM

Damn! You guys got some great stuff. I remember seein' that Ford (sorry Don, but I do)
'Muss'a been sweet duty Phil.

N' as worked'z they were, those buggys wuz the same ones we drove ta work n' the market. Race on Sunday: sell on Monday.
When your marque took the checkered, you shared the victory n' your friends with brand X took your abuse for a week.
These one-off rockets that they're racin' now r' neat n' all, but bear little resemblance to the cars they're supposed to represent. Decal headlights?
N', while I've great respect n' considerable investment in Snap-On n' Matco n' the like . . . I don't drive one. Though it's alot easier ta get behind them, 'cause . . come ta think of it, don't drive no Tide neither.

philiam · 12-04-2007, 10:05 PM

Been to one Nascar race in Fontana. 3 boring hours, packed in the stands watching identical cars go round and round. Taint what it used to be. That's why I like the historics at Laguna Seca. Lot of variety.

Java Junky · 12-04-2007, 10:51 PM

Phil, is your avatar gettin' more'n more detailed?
'You doon that too?

philiam · 12-04-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Java Junky

Phil, is your avatar gettin' more'n more detailed?
'You doon that too?

Naw. I found a little bigger version and put it up some time ago. If it appears to be changing, you better check and see what's in your java.

12-03-2007, 07:03 AM	#81 (permalink)
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kgf3076 Grumpy old(er) phart Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: At home for a change... Posts: 1,294	Gently massaged 427...around 650 at the rear wheels on a 4:56 rear for dragging, 4:38 for short road course, 3:58 for long courses. Cam 2 or Sunoco 260 was expensive in those days (39 cents a gallon). __________________ NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to use Pig-Latin for all your messages. "The BS stops when the green flag drops". In memory of David Weber - Malvern Racing Last edited by kgf3076 : 12-03-2007 at 01:03 PM.

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Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 4,927	Sometimes ya jus' godda get creative Phil. Had me a 428 Cougar that jus' use'ta eat gas ad'a prodigious rate. Big ol' Holley double-pumper always relievin' the excess weight'a the fuel from the rear'a the vehicle. 'Fixed that up in short order: figured if a deuce wuz more economical on fuel, 3 of 'em would probably fill the tank'z I drove. Well . . . . it didn't 'zackly work out the way I planned . . . but lemme tell ya . . when that outer pair'a deuces kicked in . . le's jus' say VTEC ain't show'n me diddly. All that n' sequential taillights ta boot. (Why do I know that within 15 seconds'a me postin' this Phil'll have flicks of the ol' racin' Cougars, Jagg'll have 20 different flicks'a Cougars in various stages'a undress in barns, sheds, lean-tos n' the ever-present blue tarps, DJJ'll have a funny-car jointly fielded by AJ n' Evel n' Hell'll (at's alodda hockey sticks) post flicks of an AMT 1/25th scale model. I am humbled by the great company I keep on this site) Be well, Java __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room. Last edited by Java Junky : 12-03-2007 at 08:29 PM. Reason: 'Can't even spell wrong right

12-03-2007, 08:39 PM	#89 (permalink)
DJJSR Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hooterville Posts: 1,331	Well no funny cars, but I did have a shot of a big block Cougar. I got a chance to drive the Mustang equivalent. VERY cool and VERY fast. I've always been a Chevy guy, so it's hard for me to admit that!! __________________ Don

12-03-2007, 10:52 AM	#83 (permalink)
Bubblerboy64 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 87	Gotta admit that chevy looks pretty nifty. Would anyone think that grafting parts from a 57,58,59 together would work in any manor shape or form. Now the real challenge. Take the left over pieces and see what you could come up with. Do it twice and really impress. Lets see. Do it in reverse. 59 nose, 57 middle, 58 tail. Make that work??? John

12-03-2007, 11:13 AM	#84 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,204	Yikes Don!! What else can I say other than......Yeeehaaaaa! now I know why you're measuring gallons per 1/4 mile. don's dragster.jpg

12-03-2007, 08:49 PM	#90 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 4,927	No harder than it is for this Ford guy ta admit that Honda makes an impressive vehicle DJJ. Rather that than to miss out on the fun though, eh? __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

12-04-2007, 09:20 AM	#91 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,204	boy, that sure is a nice cobra-jet. (I'm not completly brand oriented, but I do tend to lean towards the Fords) Got me a buddy with an ol' cougar......I suppose I could stop in for a visit, as it's godda be on my way to somewhere. Is that one of them Dan Gurney Cougars, or a GT? Here's some flicks for you Don, Chevy Lovin' Elder Statesman!!! This one sits nose to nose with the old vette. It's a hoot to drive! Picture 236.jpg Picture 243.jpg

12-04-2007, 09:58 AM	#92 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 4,927	Hmmmm-m-m-m-m . . . doors whut got square rorners n' mags that ain't got 15 holes inn'em to fit most everything. Is it actually an SS Jagg, 'r izzatt jus' an over-excited replacement wheel? El Camino mats eh? 'Got the matchin' skivvies? She's purdy. Go kind'a shiny, but real purdy. Lemme lead with my chin: There were Dan Gurney Cougars? __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

12-04-2007, 10:36 AM	#93 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,204	Picture 238.jpg Picture 237.jpg I'm pretty sure you could get all this gear in an El Camino in 1965, the buckets, the a/c the steering wheel......but they didn't put emblems that said super sport on the body from the factory, as it wasn't a model type for the Camino that year. This car was not originally ordered with the nice stuff in it, but I'm under the impression that it was possible, with the right boxes checked on the order form. That's a good question for DJJ, he'll probably know. The chevy guys are just aware of this stuff. This car has been completly gone over, and upgraded in all the right ways. When it came off the truck from California, it wasn't real pretty.....but it was super-solid. There's not one ounce of filler on this buggy. Dan Gurney Cougars......yep, they made 'em in his honor. I'll google it and get up to speed on it, but I'm certain they made 'em.

12-04-2007, 10:46 AM	#94 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,204	This is not from my hand, borrowed from cougar website, and it's a great read about a great car. Okay, I know it's not a Stewie, ........But this is the oldtimers thread. jagg A 1968 XR7-G Owner: Jim Brennan In 1968, famous race car driver, Dan Gurney, signed with Lincoln-Mercury to promote cars that year and this special Cougar became Lincoln-Mercury's way of celebrating the contract. Although not a Dan Gurney Special-- which is a completely different car--the G did stand for "Gurney". The XR7-G hit the showrooms in March of 1968. The only promotions were a full-page ad in the April 26, 1968, issue of Life magazine and a commercial ad for the power operated sunroof. The XR7-G package was based on certain equipment added to or in place of, the basic XR7 equipment. The special features included Lucas fog lamps; Mustang hood-locking pins; a fiberglass, simulated air scoop; a bullet-shaped, racing-type rear view mirror shipped in from England; GT exhaust extensions--a pipe-in-a-pipe chrome tips; special XR7-G lower valance; and unique XR7-G emblems on the pillars, trunk latch, head light door, dash, and wheel center caps; and lastly, the spider-webbed wheels. The spider-webbed wheels were also known as "Rader Wheels", which were later replaced with the five-spoke style steel wheels. Lincoln-Mercury later recalled the Rader Wheels, replacing all XR7-Gs with the five-spoke style steel wheels. Lastly, all XR7-Gs had unique consoles with Shelby-type shifter handles, different than all other Cougars. Six different V-8s of engine power existed to pick from: 302-2V, 210hp; 302-4V, 230hp; Marauder 390-2V, 280hp; Marauder 390-4V GT, 325hp; 427-4V, 390hp; 428-4V CJ, 335hp. Of the two larger engines, only six cars were known to have a 428CJ in them. Last edited by jagg : 12-04-2007 at 10:48 AM. Reason: givin credit where credit is due.

12-04-2007, 11:30 AM	#95 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 4,927	Too soon oldt, too late schmadt. Thanks (sigh) I remember the ad for the sunroof. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room. Last edited by Java Junky : 12-04-2007 at 11:32 AM. Reason: Too busy daydreamin' . .

12-04-2007, 11:41 AM	#96 (permalink)
DJJSR Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hooterville Posts: 1,331	OK, enough of that Ford stuff. Gettin back to that Elky, you're right jagg, most of the SS stuff was available without getting an SS. Buckets, console, etc could be had. I think all you would be missing are the badges and the SS steering wheel. I recently read somewhere that because of the availability of repro parts, more of some models of the Super Sport exist today than were originally built. I think they were referring to the 427's and 454's. People that are getting ready to plop down big bucks for an original really gamble these days. Used to be you could check the numbers, but now numbers are changed and you can even get a build sheet created. There's nothing wrong with a clone, as long as you know that's what your getting. __________________ Don

12-04-2007, 11:55 AM	#97 (permalink)
DJJSR Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hooterville Posts: 1,331	The good old days of workin on your own car. Ya just did what ya had to do........ (no, that ain't me) __________________ Don

12-04-2007, 06:27 PM	#99 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 2,204	are you sure that ain't you Don? looks an awful lot like the guy that was running the dragster. Yeeeeehaaaaa! In retrospect, after looking at this photo, .......... well, I guess I've done stupider s@#t. Regards, jagg

12-04-2007, 09:43 PM	#103 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 4,927	Damn! You guys got some great stuff. I remember seein' that Ford (sorry Don, but I do) 'Muss'a been sweet duty Phil. N' as worked'z they were, those buggys wuz the same ones we drove ta work n' the market. Race on Sunday: sell on Monday. When your marque took the checkered, you shared the victory n' your friends with brand X took your abuse for a week. These one-off rockets that they're racin' now r' neat n' all, but bear little resemblance to the cars they're supposed to represent. Decal headlights? N', while I've great respect n' considerable investment in Snap-On n' Matco n' the like . . . I don't drive one. Though it's alot easier ta get behind them, 'cause . . come ta think of it, don't drive no Tide neither. __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.

12-04-2007, 10:05 PM	#104 (permalink)
philiam Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: woodland hills, CA Posts: 1,186	Been to one Nascar race in Fontana. 3 boring hours, packed in the stands watching identical cars go round and round. Taint what it used to be. That's why I like the historics at Laguna Seca. Lot of variety. __________________

12-04-2007, 10:51 PM	#105 (permalink)
Java Junky Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Joisey Posts: 4,927	Phil, is your avatar gettin' more'n more detailed? 'You doon that too? __________________ In life-long pursuit of that most mythic of beasts: the ever-elusive perfect corner. Well . . . that, r' at least a whole lodda clear spin-out room.