HELP! loss of 6th gear

chubs · 04-27-2009, 12:03 PM

Hi guys,just wanted to pick your brains.
after taking my s2000 out last week i discovered that i lost the use of my sixth gear.im abit stumped really as all my other gears work fine and yet when i put the clutch down to go into sixth it wont even go in.just wondering if this is a commen problem,or whether its going to be expensive to fix

thanx
chubs

TheSoundMan21 · 04-27-2009, 12:09 PM

I heard something along these lines before. Heard that one mechanic just forced it in and it started to work again. Just an idea from what I heard.

desmo4 · 04-27-2009, 12:21 PM

It could be the shifter and not the transmission. Has the car ever been wet inside? If it has, the mechanism will corrode and gears will disappear. In mine the gate for fifth was gone. It costs about $20.00 for the parts if you don't destroy the boots.

Otherwise it could be a syncro

Jonathan

turbosix · 04-27-2009, 12:22 PM

can you put the car in 6th when stopped?

TheSoundMan21 · 04-27-2009, 12:27 PM

Go with the above sugestions excluding mine those guys know what their doing.

kgf3076 · 04-27-2009, 12:32 PM

So does it make any noise? Grind? Just not find 6th gear? Can you put it into 6th with the engine off and the clutch depressed? Sounds like it may be the shift fork either out of alignment or damaged but a problem like this is extremely hard to diagnose by messages in a forum.

chubs · 04-27-2009, 12:38 PM

no noise or grind,even with the engine off and the clutch depressed.just seems like the gate for 6th wont open?
thanx for the help everyone by the way.

Swingle1 · 04-27-2009, 12:41 PM

ok... sounds like the shifter/gate mechanism. Likely an easy and inexpensive fix.

Let us know.

chubs · 04-27-2009, 12:44 PM

thankyou very much,you've been a great help!

J'sS2K · 04-27-2009, 02:31 PM

sometimes, i have to force it a little to get in forth, especially when i first run it in the morning. it's weird. but after that, it works fine.

s2000isu · 04-27-2009, 02:53 PM

After I let my car sit for 3 months it would not go in 6th I just used some force and it went in and shifted frine from that point on.

J'sS2K · 04-27-2009, 03:01 PM

my theory is that maybe 6th gear is not fully submerged under the tranny fluid so when you let it sit for a while it stuck due to the lack of lubrication..you just need to force it a little to get it going again...kinda like the brake pad sticking to the rotor after a rain or car wash...not sure but that's my theory.

H20 · 04-27-2009, 04:30 PM

Wow

Vezna31 · 07-30-2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J'sS2K

my theory is that maybe 6th gear is not fully submerged under the tranny fluid so when you let it sit for a while it stuck due to the lack of lubrication..you just need to force it a little to get it going again...kinda like the brake pad sticking to the rotor after a rain or car wash...not sure but that's my theory.

I can disprove your theory since I was looking at my tranny opened up by my mechanic yesterday. Gears 3-6 are not fully submerged, but there's a thin hollow rod that runs along side the gears that sprays oil onto them.

I lost 6th gear last week after my track day. My mechanic told me what part he thinks is the problem, but I can't remember what it is. He didn't have it fully disassembled yet.

desmo4 · 07-30-2009, 05:18 PM

I am pretty sure both theories are incorrect. The shifter has sliding parts and a spring which returns it to the normal position. If there is any corrosion in the mechanism the spring won't be able to move it. There is a TSB for this problem. Like I said in my previous post. If you take it apart and don't destroy the inner boot you can fix it it for about $20.00 worth of parts, polishing paper and some urea based grease. By the way, obviously 5th and 6th gears share the same pathway as reverse and that is where the spring and the sliding comes in.

Jonathan

jagg · 07-30-2009, 07:19 PM

Sounds to me like a problem with the reverse lock out mechanism. (that's what desmo is talkin' about OP)

Work the gearbox into reverse over and over again...bang it a bit...bump it a little......try for 6th every once in a while....Once you get it into 6th....go from 5th to 6th over and over again.....

Do this with the engine off and the clutch disengaged.
You may be able to free it up.

jagg

Vezna31 · 07-30-2009, 07:31 PM

Just talked to my mechanic and he said my problem is the selector sleeve.

desmo4 · 07-30-2009, 08:12 PM

Exactly

jonathan

drake1 · 09-28-2009, 08:45 PM

It could be the shifter and not the transmission. Has the car ever been wet inside? If it has, the mechanism will corrode and gears will disappear. In mine the gate for fifth was gone. It costs about $20.00 for the parts if you don't destroy the boots.

phins2rt · 09-29-2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drake1

It could be the shifter and not the transmission. Has the car ever been wet inside? If it has, the mechanism will corrode and gears will disappear. In mine the gate for fifth was gone. It costs about $20.00 for the parts if you don't destroy the boots.

WTF?

desmo4 · 09-29-2009, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drake1

It could be the shifter and not the transmission. Has the car ever been wet inside? If it has, the mechanism will corrode and gears will disappear. In mine the gate for fifth was gone. It costs about $20.00 for the parts if you don't destroy the boots.

This is plagiarism, send copyright fee to elmer@fud.com

Jonathan

04-27-2009, 12:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
chubs Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3	HELP! loss of 6th gear Hi guys,just wanted to pick your brains. after taking my s2000 out last week i discovered that i lost the use of my sixth gear.im abit stumped really as all my other gears work fine and yet when i put the clutch down to go into sixth it wont even go in.just wondering if this is a commen problem,or whether its going to be expensive to fix thanx chubs

04-27-2009, 12:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	It could be the shifter and not the transmission. Has the car ever been wet inside? If it has, the mechanism will corrode and gears will disappear. In mine the gate for fifth was gone. It costs about $20.00 for the parts if you don't destroy the boots. Otherwise it could be a syncro Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

04-27-2009, 12:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
turbosix S2000.com Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 2,083	can you put the car in 6th when stopped? __________________ turbosix.net 1984 buick regal t-type . 2003 gpw s2000 Are you lacking coverage for your prescriptions? Click HERE to print a free discount pharmacy card! Save 10-60% on most medications at 60,000 pharmacies nationwide at no cost to you.

04-27-2009, 12:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
kgf3076 Raconteur Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: We might be sharing a time zone (but it's doubtful) Posts: 1,776	So does it make any noise? Grind? Just not find 6th gear? Can you put it into 6th with the engine off and the clutch depressed? Sounds like it may be the shift fork either out of alignment or damaged but a problem like this is extremely hard to diagnose by messages in a forum. __________________ "The BS stops when the green flag drops". In memory of David Weber - Malvern Racing

04-27-2009, 02:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
J'sS2K The Car Camera Mount Guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,536	sometimes, i have to force it a little to get in forth, especially when i first run it in the morning. it's weird. but after that, it works fine. __________________ So you're heading to the track and you want to record your sessions. PM me for an in-car camera mount. For everything else, you're on your own! www.getgopod.com

04-27-2009, 12:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
chubs Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3	no noise or grind,even with the engine off and the clutch depressed.just seems like the gate for 6th wont open? thanx for the help everyone by the way.

04-27-2009, 12:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Swingle1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 762	ok... sounds like the shifter/gate mechanism. Likely an easy and inexpensive fix. Let us know.

04-27-2009, 12:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
chubs Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3	thankyou very much,you've been a great help!

04-27-2009, 02:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
s2000isu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pa Posts: 1,770	After I let my car sit for 3 months it would not go in 6th I just used some force and it went in and shifted frine from that point on. __________________ S2kx2: "paint it pink! Or better yet buy a Miata" 2001 Vortech SC 12.8 at 111 miles per hour

04-27-2009, 03:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
J'sS2K The Car Camera Mount Guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,536	my theory is that maybe 6th gear is not fully submerged under the tranny fluid so when you let it sit for a while it stuck due to the lack of lubrication..you just need to force it a little to get it going again...kinda like the brake pad sticking to the rotor after a rain or car wash...not sure but that's my theory. __________________ So you're heading to the track and you want to record your sessions. PM me for an in-car camera mount. For everything else, you're on your own! www.getgopod.com

04-27-2009, 04:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
H20 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: CT, USA Posts: 777	Wow

07-30-2009, 05:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	I am pretty sure both theories are incorrect. The shifter has sliding parts and a spring which returns it to the normal position. If there is any corrosion in the mechanism the spring won't be able to move it. There is a TSB for this problem. Like I said in my previous post. If you take it apart and don't destroy the inner boot you can fix it it for about $20.00 worth of parts, polishing paper and some urea based grease. By the way, obviously 5th and 6th gears share the same pathway as reverse and that is where the spring and the sliding comes in. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

07-30-2009, 07:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
jagg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Endless Mountains Posts: 3,234	Sounds to me like a problem with the reverse lock out mechanism. (that's what desmo is talkin' about OP) Work the gearbox into reverse over and over again...bang it a bit...bump it a little......try for 6th every once in a while....Once you get it into 6th....go from 5th to 6th over and over again..... Do this with the engine off and the clutch disengaged. You may be able to free it up. jagg

07-30-2009, 07:31 PM	#17 (permalink)
Vezna31 Resident Track Whore :) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chula Vista, CA Posts: 1,667	Just talked to my mechanic and he said my problem is the selector sleeve. __________________ Vezna Financial Services - For mortgages, accounting and taxes, and phone service needs. http://www.vezna.com San Diego Car Club - http://www.sdcarclub.com

07-30-2009, 08:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	Exactly jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

09-28-2009, 08:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
drake1 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3	It could be the shifter and not the transmission. Has the car ever been wet inside? If it has, the mechanism will corrode and gears will disappear. In mine the gate for fifth was gone. It costs about $20.00 for the parts if you don't destroy the boots. __________________ Car Sale Hub Raleigh Used Cars

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