Mugen vs. C/R

Pancho91 · 08-22-2009, 11:04 AM

Wich 1 is better? The Mugen S2k or the S2000 C/R?

RL1924 · 08-22-2009, 11:15 AM

Im not really sure what exactly you mean by better... You do know you can't "buy" a mugen s2000 right?

desmo4 · 08-22-2009, 01:15 PM

Sure you can You can get everything except the engine, there are only 2 in the world. But you could get a pretty close substitute. And for the rest of the parts call King Motorsports. The Mugen car is better in every way.

Jonathan

RL1924 · 08-22-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by desmo4

Sure you can You can get everything except the engine, there are only 2 in the world. But you could get a pretty close substitute. And for the rest of the parts call King Motorsports. The Mugen car is better in every way.

Jonathan

I know you can buy all mugen parts... But you cant just buy a Mugen S2000 like you can get a CR... and I would say there are ALOT more parts rather then the engine no? Fenders, trunk, but they do make LOT of parts for the S. And to build an S with all authentic Mugen parts you would probably be close to 100k easily.

desmo4 · 08-22-2009, 02:25 PM

You will note I never mentioned money. It would be measured in cubic dollars.

Jonathan

Honda007 · 08-22-2009, 04:28 PM

LOL(cubic dollars), I would trust the CR aerodynamic equipment over the mugen only because it was designed by Honda's engineers, everthing else is left up to mugen.

Pancho91 · 08-22-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RL1924

Im not really sure what exactly you mean by better... You do know you can't "buy" a mugen s2000 right?

RL1924 · 08-22-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Honda007

LOL(cubic dollars), I would trust the CR aerodynamic equipment over the mugen only because it was designed by Honda's engineers, everthing else is left up to mugen.

I thought Mugen is like associated with honda like there race team.. Or some thing good like that no?

RL1924 · 08-22-2009, 06:18 PM

Pancho.. Did you mean to say some thing about quoting me?

lonestarbuzz · 08-22-2009, 06:41 PM

well, technically, i would think the mugen S2K is "better." by better, i mean probably a little faster and stiffer handling.

s2k16803 · 08-22-2009, 07:33 PM

mugen is to honda as nismo is to nissan atleast thats what I have heard

desmo4 · 08-22-2009, 07:33 PM

Firstly, Mugen is one of Soshiro (not sure of the spelling) Honda's sons and Mugen is Honda's race division. So all those expensive parts are nearly Honda parts. The Mugen NZ dampers are indescribably excellent and substantially stiffer than the CR. The engine is 2.4 liters based on an AP1 block and produces 275 hp.

Jonathan

Honda007 · 08-22-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by s2k16803

mugen is to honda as nismo is to nissan atleast thats what I have heard

That's basically correct. Desmo described it well above this post. And I believe Mugen is working on or now has a modified F22 build blueprint. As I said before Mugen is a great and high quality modified parts industry I just prefer the CR areodynamics. I have the Mugen slotted rotors and love them. Basically all they are is a Honda OEM rotor with Mugen's machining to add some slots.

Pancho91 · 08-24-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RL1924

Pancho.. Did you mean to say some thing about quoting me?

yeah i was saying that i meant wich car was better in terms of handling,weight,performance,etc and i heard the mugen version was comin 2 the US next summer

J'sS2K · 08-24-2009, 03:13 PM

A CR is pretty much the same as an AP2 with the exception of better suspension. My money is on the Mugen. But who cares! LOL. I'm going for the Lotus. YEAH...that's my next car!

desmo4 · 08-24-2009, 04:06 PM

I love Lotus. NZ Dampers and Swift Sway Bars will out handle the CR any day of the week.

Jonathan

JDMzimbo · 08-24-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by J'sS2K

A CR is pretty much the same as an AP2 with the exception of better suspension. My money is on the Mugen. But who cares! LOL. I'm going for the Lotus. YEAH...that's my next car!

Some friends of ours just bought a lime green exige s, i got to drive it and it was awesome, deff handles like a go kart.

Honda007 · 08-24-2009, 06:04 PM

Wish I could fit in one of those....

J'sS2K · 08-24-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMzimbo

Some friends of ours just bought a lime green exige s, i got to drive it and it was awesome, deff handles like a go kart.

yup, i hear you man...i got to drive one too. loved it! freaking awesome!!!

lonestarbuzz · 08-25-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pancho91

i heard the mugen version was comin 2 the US next summer

i think you heard wrong.

AeroS2000 · 08-25-2009, 01:48 PM

I was talking to a parts guy at Honda and he said they sold a Mugen S2000 a while back. just one. Lotus is powered by Toyota so the engine is reialble.

desmo4 · 08-25-2009, 02:08 PM

Considering there were only two Mugen S2k engines in the world, one in the King Motorsports car and the other in Japan. Unless the King car is what he's talking about, it's just more rumors.

Jonathan

J'sS2K · 08-25-2009, 04:19 PM

I saw a Mugen Civic at a local honda dealer before. I've not seen an S2000.

RL1924 · 08-25-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by J'sS2K

I saw a Mugen Civic at a local honda dealer before. I've not seen an S2000.

Yea the do offer a civic tasteful i must say.

RL1924 · 08-25-2009, 05:16 PM

It all depends on what you think as a mugen s2000... I have seen many guys on s2ki that have TONS of authentic mugen parts on there car from wheels hood hardtops wings coilovers intake headers exhaust seats and more and more... Than you can buy one, Did they ever come sold to the public built like that, No

s2kx2 · 08-25-2009, 09:32 PM

S2kcookie · 08-25-2009, 10:27 PM

Mugen Civic SI Close to $30,000.00 same 197HP .. you Pay $6,000 for all the Mugen body kit???

L8Apex · 08-25-2009, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desmo4

Considering there were only two Mugen S2k engines in the world, one in the King Motorsports car and the other in Japan. Unless the King car is what he's talking about, it's just more rumors.

Jonathan

The King car was sold several weeks ago.

desmo4 · 08-25-2009, 11:42 PM

Yes i know about that.

Jonathan

S2KCRick · 08-26-2009, 08:54 AM

As previously stated, the Mugen S2000 isn't a production car like the CR was. Whats really to compare then? I guess you need to get all the Mugen suspension and body parts you can possibly get and then take it to the track and see how it compares to a CR.

Is the Mugen engine available to buy?

RL1924 · 08-26-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by S2kcookie

Mugen Civic SI Close to $30,000.00 same 197HP .. you Pay $6,000 for all the Mugen body kit???

Is all the suspension and wheels and other stuff the same though?

desmo4 · 08-27-2009, 02:25 AM

And that is what I was talking about. If they have put even a derivative of NZ dampers in the CR it would be good. Buy a slightly stiffened AP2 is with no convertible top is not equal.

Jonathan

08-22-2009, 11:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
Pancho91 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 29	Mugen vs. C/R Wich 1 is better? The Mugen S2k or the S2000 C/R?

08-22-2009, 01:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	Sure you can You can get everything except the engine, there are only 2 in the world. But you could get a pretty close substitute. And for the rest of the parts call King Motorsports. The Mugen car is better in every way. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

08-22-2009, 02:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	You will note I never mentioned money. It would be measured in cubic dollars. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

08-22-2009, 07:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
s2k16803 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 69	mugen is to honda as nismo is to nissan atleast thats what I have heard __________________ 2005 S2000 cr conversion 2008 bmw m3 convertible 2007 Jeep SRT8 1991 Mercedes 350sd v12 conversion 2003 Saab 93 aero 2001 Ferrari 575

08-22-2009, 07:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	Firstly, Mugen is one of Soshiro (not sure of the spelling) Honda's sons and Mugen is Honda's race division. So all those expensive parts are nearly Honda parts. The Mugen NZ dampers are indescribably excellent and substantially stiffer than the CR. The engine is 2.4 liters based on an AP1 block and produces 275 hp. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

08-22-2009, 11:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	Im not really sure what exactly you mean by better... You do know you can't "buy" a mugen s2000 right?

08-22-2009, 04:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Honda007 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 244	LOL(cubic dollars), I would trust the CR aerodynamic equipment over the mugen only because it was designed by Honda's engineers, everthing else is left up to mugen.

08-22-2009, 06:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	Pancho.. Did you mean to say some thing about quoting me?

08-24-2009, 03:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
J'sS2K The Car Camera Mount Guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,536	A CR is pretty much the same as an AP2 with the exception of better suspension. My money is on the Mugen. But who cares! LOL. I'm going for the Lotus. YEAH...that's my next car! __________________ So you're heading to the track and you want to record your sessions. PM me for an in-car camera mount. For everything else, you're on your own! www.getgopod.com

08-24-2009, 04:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	I love Lotus. NZ Dampers and Swift Sway Bars will out handle the CR any day of the week. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

08-24-2009, 06:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
Honda007 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 244	Wish I could fit in one of those....

08-25-2009, 01:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
AeroS2000 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 200	I was talking to a parts guy at Honda and he said they sold a Mugen S2000 a while back. just one. Lotus is powered by Toyota so the engine is reialble.

08-25-2009, 02:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	Considering there were only two Mugen S2k engines in the world, one in the King Motorsports car and the other in Japan. Unless the King car is what he's talking about, it's just more rumors. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

08-25-2009, 04:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
J'sS2K The Car Camera Mount Guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,536	I saw a Mugen Civic at a local honda dealer before. I've not seen an S2000. __________________ So you're heading to the track and you want to record your sessions. PM me for an in-car camera mount. For everything else, you're on your own! www.getgopod.com

08-25-2009, 05:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
RL1924 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 2,037	It all depends on what you think as a mugen s2000... I have seen many guys on s2ki that have TONS of authentic mugen parts on there car from wheels hood hardtops wings coilovers intake headers exhaust seats and more and more... Than you can buy one, Did they ever come sold to the public built like that, No

08-25-2009, 09:32 PM	#26 (permalink)
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08-25-2009, 10:27 PM	#27 (permalink)
S2kcookie Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: California Posts: 27	Mugen Civic SI Close to $30,000.00 same 197HP .. you Pay $6,000 for all the Mugen body kit???

08-25-2009, 11:42 PM	#29 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	Yes i know about that. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

08-27-2009, 02:25 AM	#32 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	And that is what I was talking about. If they have put even a derivative of NZ dampers in the CR it would be good. Buy a slightly stiffened AP2 is with no convertible top is not equal. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

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