CR vs. Std S2000

wgrandmont · 09-24-2009, 02:49 PM

As an autcrosser I am pretty sure that the CR with OEM tires is about 2-3 seconds faster than say an 07 with OEM tires on a 60 second course. I also know (because I'm the 07 )that the 07 with R-compounds can smoke the CR on street tires. What I am wondering is how much faster would the CR be than a std S if both cars had the same tire? In other words would it be worth the cost to upgrade the suspension of say an 07 to CR specs.?

rusyus · 09-24-2009, 03:06 PM

my GUESS would be YES - if you are talking about autoX.

gomarlins3 · 09-24-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wgrandmont

As an autcrosser I am pretty sure that the CR with OEM tires is about 2-3 seconds faster than say an 07 with OEM tires on a 60 second course.

I completely disagree. The changes to the CR aren't that much of a help on an autoX course. A road course, maybe, but not an autoX course.

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Originally Posted by wgrandmont

I also know (because I'm the 07 )that the 07 with R-compounds can smoke the CR on street tires.

It is pretty well agreed that R compounds are worth 2-3 seconds on a 60 second course. If that is true and your first statement is true, then the two cars should now be tied.

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Originally Posted by wgrandmont

What I am wondering is how much faster would the CR be than a std S if both cars had the same tire?

As I said before, not much if any. The changes to the suspension were basically back to the AP1 settings and a thicker rear STB.

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Originally Posted by wgrandmont

In other words would it be worth the cost to upgrade the suspension of say an 07 to CR specs.?

No. Taking weight out of your car would have a more positive impact and cost a lot less.

desmo4 · 09-24-2009, 03:18 PM

Replace the suspension with NZ dampers and Swift Sway Bars. There will be no body roll and and once you get the ride height and alignment set other than the weight difference you will be amazed how much faster it will corner.

Jonathan

turbosix · 09-24-2009, 04:43 PM

dont waste money on mugen crap or swaybars.

TheSoundMan21 · 09-25-2009, 07:18 AM

aww T6 why not arent they the best ever?

wgrandmont · 09-25-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by turbosix

dont waste money on mugen crap or swaybars.

I agree with that. I already tried both the Gendron soilid sway bar and the hollow version and the car was measurably slower. It felt stiffer on the street and I thought it would be faster, but it did not translate into faster in autocross.

turbosix · 09-25-2009, 08:51 AM

in this gran turismo and forza day and age, everyone seems to think just throwing parts on a car is going to magically make it handle better.

S2KCRick · 09-25-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wgrandmont

As an autcrosser I am pretty sure that the CR with OEM tires is about 2-3 seconds faster than say an 07 with OEM tires on a 60 second course. I also know (because I'm the 07 )that the 07 with R-compounds can smoke the CR on street tires. What I am wondering is how much faster would the CR be than a std S if both cars had the same tire? In other words would it be worth the cost to upgrade the suspension of say an 07 to CR specs.?

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The CR(2,765 lb (without hardtop)) is also about 100lbs lighter than a std AP2(2,864 lb).

S2KCRick · 09-25-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by desmo4

Replace the suspension with NZ dampers and Swift Sway Bars. There will be no body roll and and once you get the ride height and alignment set other than the weight difference you will be amazed how much faster it will corner.

Jonathan

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Desmo4, how much money have you spent on all that Mugen gear you got on your ride? If you don't mind telln.

s2kx2 · 09-25-2009, 12:21 PM

The CR is basically an AP-1 Chassis with an AP-2 drive train.

From what I have read with the exception of the soft-top being removed the added chassis brace, shortened gear lever and R compound tires. The CR went "back to the basics" of the AP-1 - Same steering ratio, same size sway bars suspension setup etc. The margin of performance gain or loss would ultimately depend on the drivers skill level. The one I want would be the ultimate edition as it had all the features of the CR sold in the states without the wings and Veilside style fairings but kept the 9,200 rpm engine. Sadly they only made 100 of them and they were for Europe only.

J'sS2K · 09-25-2009, 01:10 PM

They're basically the same with the execption of suspsions upgrade.lol don't waste your money.

S2KCRick · 09-25-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by s2kx2

The CR is basically an AP-1 Chassis with an AP-2 drive train.

From what I have read with the exception of the soft-top being removed the added chassis brace, shortened gear lever and R compound tires. The CR went "back to the basics" of the AP-1 - Same steering ratio, same size sway bars suspension setup etc. The margin of performance gain or loss would ultimately depend on the drivers skill level. The one I want would be the ultimate edition as it had all the features of the CR sold in the states without the wings and Veilside style fairings but kept the 9,200 rpm engine. Sadly they only made 100 of them and they were for Europe only.

Does that ultimate edition still have the soft top?

RayYay · 09-25-2009, 05:10 PM

Sorry to threadjack, but since we're on the subject, I know the RJ and the Ultimate version were special editions that were released in Europe, but were there ever any other special versions for any other country?

S2KCRick · 09-29-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RayYay

Sorry to threadjack, but since we're on the subject, I know the RJ and the Ultimate version were special editions that were released in Europe, but were there ever any other special versions for any other country?

The Type-S in Japan is only other that Ive heard of.

desmo4 · 09-29-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KCRick

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Desmo4, how much money have you spent on all that Mugen gear you got on your ride? If you don't mind telln.

Well let me see. NZDampers were $4k Swaybars $500 headers $1300, Airbox can't remember around $1200. exhaust $1500 ECU which I am not running in CA due to 91 octane gas $1300 LSD $1400 Seat track $425 paid for by insurance. I only paid for installation for the NZdampers LSD and exhaust. Thermostat, radiator cap an fan sw which are necessary for the Mugen ECU $150.

All of the above made incredible improvements especially the NZ dampers. others who have them describe them as indescribable and I agree. No other suspension mod is designed by Honda for the S2000 because after all Mugen is part of Honda.

Jonathan

lonestarbuzz · 09-29-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by desmo4

others who have them describe them as indescribable and I agree.

metaphysically, that is impossible. the mere act of describing them as "indescribable" is, inherently, a description of them!

s2kx2 · 09-29-2009, 10:00 PM

To answer you Rick yes, it did include the soft top

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Originally Posted by S2KCRick

Does that ultimate edition still have the soft top?

09-24-2009, 02:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
wgrandmont Oversteer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 116	CR vs. Std S2000 As an autcrosser I am pretty sure that the CR with OEM tires is about 2-3 seconds faster than say an 07 with OEM tires on a 60 second course. I also know (because I'm the 07 )that the 07 with R-compounds can smoke the CR on street tires. What I am wondering is how much faster would the CR be than a std S if both cars had the same tire? In other words would it be worth the cost to upgrade the suspension of say an 07 to CR specs.?

09-24-2009, 03:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
desmo4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,087	Replace the suspension with NZ dampers and Swift Sway Bars. There will be no body roll and and once you get the ride height and alignment set other than the weight difference you will be amazed how much faster it will corner. Jonathan __________________ MY 2000 Mugen Air box, Headers, Exhaust, ECU, Pressure Plate,LSD, Radiator cap NZ Dampers, Thermo SW and Thermostat. Samco intake pipe and radiator hoses, Swift sway bars, Stillen rotors w/ M-tech extreme pads. BBS JDM Forged Wheels.w/ Potensa Re=01R's Nextgear Intake manifold gasket, SPA gauges, Alpine IDA-X001,KCE-350Bt BT Adapter, Focal 165 K2P speakers, Phoenix Gold ZX475Ti, Recaro Profi SPG w/Sparco 6 pt

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09-25-2009, 12:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
s2kx2 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 624	The CR is basically an AP-1 Chassis with an AP-2 drive train. From what I have read with the exception of the soft-top being removed the added chassis brace, shortened gear lever and R compound tires. The CR went "back to the basics" of the AP-1 - Same steering ratio, same size sway bars suspension setup etc. The margin of performance gain or loss would ultimately depend on the drivers skill level. The one I want would be the ultimate edition as it had all the features of the CR sold in the states without the wings and Veilside style fairings but kept the 9,200 rpm engine. Sadly they only made 100 of them and they were for Europe only. __________________ "Political Correctness is a pathetically ignorant doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous agenda filled revisionist mainstream media, which holds forth fallacy as fact that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."

09-24-2009, 03:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
rusyus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 271	my GUESS would be YES - if you are talking about autoX.

09-25-2009, 01:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
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09-25-2009, 05:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
RayYay Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 399	Sorry to threadjack, but since we're on the subject, I know the RJ and the Ultimate version were special editions that were released in Europe, but were there ever any other special versions for any other country? __________________ 2008 Honda s2000 GPW 1992 Acura Integra RS FW

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