CR suspension?

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Just curious if there are any stock CR suspension bits sitting around in a garage somewhere. Shoot me a PM if you know of some. I'd love to find CR struts/springs. Thanks

[TTMartin]

Originally Posted by Silverstone_Ryan

Just curious if there are any stock CR suspension bits sitting around in a garage somewhere. Shoot me a PM if you know of some. I'd love to find CR struts/springs. Thanks

Hardtopguy.com carries them.

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Originally Posted by TTMartin

Hardtopguy.com carries them.

Ya, I'm well aware. But there's just no way I'd spend that much for OEM struts. I'll buy KW or Bilstein coilovers before I spend equal money for OEM. I'm not bashing the CR suspension, because as you can see I actually want it, but for that sort of money I'd go another route. I just thought I'd put a feeler out in case somebody had a set sitting around. I do know of a set that will go for sale locally before too long. They 'were' for sale but got reinstalled while the guy waits for his custom coilovers. I could have bought them if I gave him my OEM struts in trade but I'm sort of **** about keeping all of my original parts so I passed until they are free and clear...nothing wrong with my stock parts as they only have 31k on them. I can wait.

[TTMartin]

OK, I didn't think $1615 was bad for a total (all shocks, springs, and front and rear sway bars) new factory tuned race suspension.

Suspension parts are one of those things that I wonder about buying used, as they do have a usable life. I suppose if you're buying from someone you know and trust that's a different story.

[Vanishing Point]

Once in a great while I see those pieces come up for sale on S2KI. Your looking at close to HardTopguy's price for used low mileage (under 20,000 mile) CR suspension pieces. The dealers want over $900 a strut just to put that in prospective.

[Silverstone_Ryan]

I can buy the complete set here locally with under 10k miles for $800. In a search I came across even cheaper sets that have sold, mostly on s2ki. So I know they are out there. But with so few CR's they don't come up often. But it never hurts to ask. But I don't 'need' CR suspension either. I just like the fact that it's still OEM in a sense and a little more hardcore than my stock '01 hardware.

And seriously? $900? I can buy the CR strut assembly at hondapartsunlimited for $350 or the strut only for $200. Hardtop guy is still cheaper but the list price even from Honda is only $500 for a complete CR strut assembly!

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Come to think of it, that's really not an bad way to go, the struts only that is. The CR strut and spring together is $250 per corner. Since I have all the other parts on my current struts(still in good shape) I could swap over all the small stuff. That would put me out of pocket $1000 for brand new CR suspension. Now THAT would beat KW and Bilstein since you are $1500+ for those. Hmmmm......

[kgf3076]

Originally Posted by Silverstone_Ryan

That would put me out of pocket $1000 for brand new CR suspension.

Well, you're still a few parts short of a CR suspension (sway bars come immediately to mind) but you're at least part of the way there.

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Originally Posted by kgf3076

Well, you're still a few parts short of a CR suspension (sway bars come immediately to mind) but you're at least part of the way there.

Ya, I know. I used the word 'suspension' but I meant struts/springs. I realize that I'd also need the sway bars to have complet CR suspenion.

I also know that the rear suspension geometry is different for the CR(and all AP2's). It just so happens I have those parts. They came out of a low mileage theft recovery vehicle. That would be the rear subframe, upper A-arms, and spindles. I got the parts really cheap so I stuck them under my house just in case I wanted to use them later. Better to have them and not use them than to want them and not find them.

I'm not 100% sure I want to go to all that trouble, but building a sort of 'AP1 CR' does sound appealing. I've already added the OEM hardtop and done a soft top removal. And a set of OEM 17" wheels should be showing up today. I don't want all the interior or exterior bits from the CR, but having my AP1 sitting on the AP2 CR suspension does sound like a fun project! Like the S2000 the rest of the world got in '04, AP2 chassis with the FC20. But again, I have not commited to this yet, just something I'm considering for later. Which is why I put a feeler out for CR suspension. If I come across the parts I'll stick them under my house with the other stuff just in case.

[rrounds]

Originally Posted by Silverstone_Ryan

Ya, I know. I used the word 'suspension' but I meant struts/springs. I realize that I'd also need the sway bars to have complet CR suspenion.

Maybe not, the sway bars on the '01 are very close to the CR bars
'01 391 lb/in front 427 lb/in rear
CR 392 lb/in front 362 lb/in rear

http://www.mccanless.net/Characteriz...rings_rev1.pdf

ROD

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Originally Posted by rrounds

Maybe not, the sway bars on the '01 are very close to the CR bars
'01 391 lb/in front 427 lb/in rear
CR 392 lb/in front 362 lb/in rear

http://www.mccanless.net/Characteriz...rings_rev1.pdf

ROD

OMG.....that's the coolest piece of suspension data I've seen to date! Thanks!!!

It's funny so see the data because I always thought the '00-01 was the stiffest car until the CR. But if you look, the springs were softer and the sway bars were stiffer than the later '02-03 AP1's. So really neither car is the stiffest across the board.

Also, I see that my front sway bar is within ONE POUND of the CR front bar. So I guess I'd only need a rear sway bar to be at CR specs. Very cool info. Thanks again!

[Vanishing Point]

Are you going for quick steering and the rear chassis brace too?

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Are you going for quick steering and the rear chassis brace too?

I have the CR chassis brace in my garage. Tried to install it after the soft top removal. It doesn't fit the AP1 without modification. There are no mouning locations available on the AP1. So no, not going to use that part at this point.

The AP1 has the same 13.8 ratio of the CR so I already have that. Honda changed the ratio to 14.9 in '04 as far as I can tell.

[rrounds]

Originally Posted by Silverstone_Ryan

OMG.....that's the coolest piece of suspension data I've seen to date! Thanks!!!

Glad you liked it.

So I guess I'd only need a rear sway bar to be at CR specs. Very cool info.

You have a stiffer rear sway bar than the C/R right now.

ROD

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Originally Posted by rrounds

You have a stiffer rear sway bar than the C/R right now

Is that a good thing? Just curious. It seems that would make the car more tail happy.

[rrounds]

I have a C/R front sway bar on my '06 with the stock sway bar out back and I like the way the car handles. But I'm no expert on this, if my back end was tail happy I would put wider tires on out back.

If a to stiff of a sway bar(rear) is bad for the grip you could get one from a '04 to '09 @ 311 lb/in it is the lowest rated rear sway bar.

ROD

[smohan123]

Originally Posted by Silverstone_Ryan

I have the CR chassis brace in my garage. Tried to install it after the soft top removal. It doesn't fit the AP1 without modification. There are no mouning locations available on the AP1. So no, not going to use that part at this point.

The AP1 has the same 13.8 ratio of the CR so I already have that. Honda changed the ratio to 14.9 in '04 as far as I can tell.

Do all AP1s have the same steering ratio as the CR? I was led to believe that they really tightened it up for the CR. But maybe it was tight --> loose --> tight (from AP1 --> AP2 --> CR)? Wish all things worked like that. Lol, sorry that was really crude. Apologies.

edit: Interesting!

[Silverstone_Ryan]

Originally Posted by smohan123

Do all AP1s have the same steering ratio as the CR?

As far as I can tell yes. I looked up all the specs for each year and I didn't see the 13.8 steering ratio changing until '04. So that would make it a AP2 change.

[philiam]

The AP1 steering is near perfect. Any quicker would take some getting use to and could bite you.

[oldsoldier]

I have a complete set of shocks and springs that were removed from my 2008 S2000CR. The car had 8,000 miles when they were removed by H1 Performance here in Las Vegas. I had KW 3's installed with road racing alighment. ($3,800.) I will sell them for $1050. shipped if interested.

[Vanishing Point]

oldsoldier, you have a pm.